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[TechSpot] Ubisoft launches lawsuit against website selling DDoS services

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Polygon reports that the suit names people from across the world and was filed in a California court. The defendants allegedly operated a website called SNG.ONE, which sells subscriptions that range from $30 per month up to $299 for “lifetime” access to the server.


SNG.ONE is advertised as a service for companies to test their firewalls against attacks, but Ubisoft said the owners “are well aware of the harm” it has caused the French gaming giant. It’s also alleged that those named in the suit were behind r6s.support, which named Siege as a potential target, as well as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4, FIFA 20, and Fortnite.

“Indeed, Defendants have gone out of their way to taunt and attempt to embarrass Ubisoft for the damage its services have caused to [Rainbow Six Siege],” Ubisoft lawyers write.

The suit also states that the defendants, knowing a lawsuit from Ubisoft was incoming, created a fictional seizure notice on the website, falsely claiming that the domain had been seized by Microsoft and Ubisoft. Somewhat confusingly, the defendants admitted to creating the notice “in order to get Ubisoft to admit that they have a problem.”

Ubisoft is requesting that the website be shut down and seeks damages, injunctive relief, and other equitable relief.
Source: https://www.techspot.com/news/83624-...s-attacks.html


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That's actually pretty clever to sell your services like that. Shady and despicable but clever.

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... wow that's a pretty toxic company. To make up a seizure is pretty low.



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I'm a fan of Ubisoft for the most part, but I've had issues with playing online co-op disconnecting a lot. Wonder if this has something to do with it.

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I'm a fan of Ubisoft for the most part, but I've had issues with playing online co-op disconnecting a lot. Wonder if this has something to do with it.
that's the story, and now the story they're litigating.

curious to see the outcome of shutting down the source of blame.

ubi is doing a decent job rebounding from its EA tier days, but not by much. This just looks pathetic. They better have something good on this company, or else they're gonna look like morons. They should've taken the case in west texas, not California. Oh wait, you can only sue where you have an office, right?

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Ubi blaming this company for their awful servers and services makes me laugh.

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Ubi blaming this company for their awful servers and services makes me laugh.
??? Ubi can prove that their servers are being used to DDOS them. What should Ubi do? This company provides a malicious service, which has its purpose in testing, but they are not regulating it. They should be. Their service is knowingly being used in an illegal fashion. Yet you feel Ubi is blaming this company for their bad services? Sure, this might be a drop in the bucket for the quality of their services, but its a step they could and should take. Ubi didn't say this is the only reason, but it does create hiccups every now and then. DDOS is not cool in any way.

Even more so, think about the smaller companies or the streamers that get ddosed from this service. In reality Ubi is actually helping out a lot of people who dont have the knowledge or funds to stop this. This is not saying anything about the morality of the company or quality of their games and services, but i do support the company in this.

The thing i am very interested in, is what they expect to happen to the company. If the company can whitelist or blacklist IPs and actually police their service, then cool. If Ubi expects to kill the website , that's kinda rough, but its not like the DDos people didn't antagonize it.



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??? Ubi can prove that their servers are being used to DDOS them. What should Ubi do? This company provides a malicious service, which has its purpose in testing, but they are not regulating it. They should be. Their service is knowingly being used in an illegal fashion. Yet you feel Ubi is blaming this company for their bad services? Sure, this might be a drop in the bucket for the quality of their services, but its a step they could and should take. Ubi didn't say this is the only reason, but it does create hiccups every now and then. DDOS is not cool in any way.

Even more so, think about the smaller companies or the streamers that get ddosed from this service. In reality Ubi is actually helping out a lot of people who dont have the knowledge or funds to stop this. This is not saying anything about the morality of the company or quality of their games and services, but i do support the company in this.

The thing i am very interested in, is what they expect to happen to the company. If the company can whitelist or blacklist IPs and actually police their service, then cool. If Ubi expects to kill the website , that's kinda rough, but its not like the DDos people didn't antagonize it.
A company like Ubi should anticipate it and mitigate attacks as common as a DDos, if they can't then they are the ones to blame. It's akin to having a lock on your door. If you refuse to lock your door you are the one to blame if you get burgled and while you can claim that you shouldn't have to lock your door you need to, and, thus, Ubi have no reason to cry. Years ago when a whole spate of companies got DDos'd, mitigations were implemented to prevent servers from being shut down by such attacks. If Ubi still haven't applied those strategies then they are entire to blame as companies should know by now that they can and will get DDos'd. This applies to any server, which is why any server should be hardened with hardware firewalls.

Edit: in fact a DDos is an effective way to test network infrastructure. I believe this is a PR stunt, to draw attention away from their failures.

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i also think the DDoS service company should be litigated for allowing misuse of their service.
it doesn't matter whether Ubisoft is involved or not, its clearly illegal to DDoS someone without their consent, e.g. how would you feel like if that service was used on you?

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i also think the DDoS service company should be litigated for allowing misuse of their service.
it doesn't matter whether Ubisoft is involved or not, its clearly illegal to DDoS someone without their consent, e.g. how would you feel like if that service was used on you?
I think thats the best thing that can come from this. Basically add some regulations to these services or systems. Granted this didn't blow up enough to create visibility to the issue, but eventually there will be one. Like someone using this service to take down the services to a hospital and due to a 15 minute service outage someone died from that. I guess i kinda feel like someone has to die to bring light on an issue.... but it does make sense. You have stuff like this, which cost companies millions of dollars... but we have bigger issues to deal with especially is people are dying from it.

The next level move would be Ubisoft using the SNG service to DDOS itself. But, you KNOW SNG would sue Ubisoft in a second in that situation and people will vilify Ubisoft for that too. Ubisoft will be vilified from it, for which they should, because anyone who DDOS with a harmful intent is bad. I dont understand why offering a DDOS service doesn't vilify them like the Mafia. Yeah, SNG is sticking it to the man legally! ...Ohh... its also used to target the super nice awesome indie devs too...

One cool thing that can happen from this is Ubisoft or Gov getting access to the culprits info from SNG. We wont shut you down, but give us the names of the people who are using your service to attack us and we will deal with them ourselves. Granted, stolen credit cards, fake names, tunnels, and proxies can help keep the user anonymous, but it will probably catch 75% of the script kiddies which is cool because it will build a stigma against using this service without any recourse.



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