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Isn't this that OS that's been in development for like over 20 years and is still in alpha?

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Yes, this, all of this. I have a computer science degree and I work as a programmer. I use the CLI everyday. I hate being forced to use the CLI when I mess around with linux.

It is not that I can't learn it, it's that I don't want to. I want to install software and configure my desktop to play games and surf the internet. When I am searching the man pages of xconfig trying to understand the transform commands, because all I want to to is shift my desktop a couple pixels to the right (real world problem I have) I am turned off to linux. In windows, it was a gui option in the drivers that took no instruction at all.

I have no idea why GUI tools haven't been standardized and adopted by linux distro authors. There are so many things you can't do, or at the very least I can't figure out how to do, without having to go into a terminal. Even installing basic software from the software center was a challenge when I set up lubuntu on a destkop recently. Why is this stuff so hard? Why do I have to go to the terminal to add a repo for steam and install it? Why when I install steam, do I have to go back to the terminal and download dependencies that steam requires, but can't seem to download on its own?

I have a CS degree and years of experience with linux and I find it frustrating. If you don't know anything about computers, and you run into issues like this trying to get a system up and running, then it is completely pointless and a waste of your time. Just pay a little extra money for a mac or a windows machine so you can get back to work or play.

To me, the "features" list of serpent OS read like an opinionated check list by nerds, for nerds, that have nothing or very little to do with actually using a computer. Why do I care if the distro only support UEFI boot? What good does it do me if the distro is compiled with or without certain flags or ASM?

I get it, the distro isn't for me, its for someone who does care. And that is fine, that is the beauty of linux and open source software. But most people, even people who have a basic understanding of the release notes like me, don't give a damn.
Wanna see something cool?

https://software.opensuse.org/explore
https://software.opensuse.org/package/steam
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:One_Click_Install
https://en.opensuse.org/YaST2-GTK

No one else adopts this. I do not know why.

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I hope you're not implying I said learning the cli was easy or that it's easy to learn for everyone; as I recall it took a few months for me to become somewhat comfortable with it without constantly referring to the Help way back when and being sent to school for Perl and being paid for doing so certainly helped. But that was twenty some-odd years ago.

Knowing the cli (or cli's in general) does help accomplish more complex tasks though (e.g., like setting up complex firewalls, vms, etc.). There's even online shops and webhosting that employ cli-based operations to be competent at setting them up and maintaining them (e.g., BigCommerce's Stencil platform, VPS and dedicated server hosting, etc.).

But yeah, not everyone's up to using such services, nor does everyone have a need for them (let alone want). In those areas it's typically a wheat vs. the chaff sort of situation, and it will remain that way until something that suits those who don't or won't use a cli comes along.

That's not going to happen tomorrow though. Maybe in a few years once us old timers die off.
You were not. Many linux proponents are. Apologies for any confusion on that front.

I agree that knowing how to use the CLI is good. There are many tasks where it makes sense to do so, even in Windows (WMIC/PS anyone?). Even Windows Server is moving to CLI-only with PowerShell for the newer generation, so CLI has a long time to live yet.

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https://clearlinux.org/software (Flatpak is integrated into their Software Center GUI)
https://snapcraft.io/store
https://flathub.org/home
https://discover.manjaro.org/packages/

Not as clean as Clear Linux/Manjaro:
http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Ulyana
https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/allpackages
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Wanna see something cool?

https://software.opensuse.org/explore
https://software.opensuse.org/package/steam
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:One_Click_Install
https://en.opensuse.org/YaST2-GTK

No one else adopts this. I do not know why.



You were not. Many linux proponents are. Apologies for any confusion on that front.

I agree that knowing how to use the CLI is good. There are many tasks where it makes sense to do so, even in Windows (WMIC/PS anyone?). Even Windows Server is moving to CLI-only with PowerShell for the newer generation, so CLI has a long time to live yet.
CLI is necessary for server management but that's a vastly different environment to desktop use.

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The lack of GUIs in Linux isn't so much due to elitism or things like that. Making a good GUI is not a trivial task and often you need a dedicated specialist to do one. Linux was and will continue being a hobbyist OS for the near future (despite corps wanting to change that for their needs) that is mostly built by volunteers and people that just love coding. Many of these coders and volunteers either don't care for GUIs or simply don't have the experience to make a good one. Often you end up with buggy GUIs that lack functionality. Everyone is welcomed to try an develop a certain feature they want in a program.


Still, all modern distros already provide tools that make using their OS easy. Most desktop type operations (including gaming) can already be done with a few clicks. The problem arises when you have to troubleshoot something. In this case you often have to dive in with cli (and it's usually the recommended way of doing it).

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Literally none of those are the same functionality, and you linked nothing like YAST.

Clear is just using Flat, and while Flat and Snap are doing a service to the community, they do not work like normal repo managers. Manjaro's doesn't list Steam at all, and I'm being nitpicky, but several of those app pages do not have a download button on the info page.

OpenSUSE compiles the application for not only the latest copy of their OS, but for several versions going back, sometimes down the the KDE version you have installed, as well as for other distros which you can search by in the top;


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And if a main Repo does not support it, it can be community hosted and submitted;

https://build.opensuse.org/

This (and yes, Flat and Snap) are the kind of effort Linux needs. I'm very happy to see this effort being put in to make the OS more usable.

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CLI is necessary for server management but that's a vastly different environment to desktop use.
There are also very few alternatives to WMIC for remotely getting a BIOS saved Tag/SN or installing applications without GP push that are not also Microsoft owned and command line. Guess it depends on if you count Desktop Support in line with Desktop Use.

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Literally none of those are the same functionality, and you linked nothing like YAST.

Clear is just using Flat, and while Flat and Snap are doing a service to the community, they do not work like normal repo managers. Manjaro's doesn't list Steam at all, and I'm being nitpicky, but several of those app pages do not have a download button on the info page.

OpenSUSE compiles the application for not only the latest copy of their OS, but for several versions going back, sometimes down the the KDE version you have installed, as well as for other distros which you can search by in the top;


Attachment 358066

And if a main Repo does not support it, it can be community hosted and submitted;

https://build.opensuse.org/

This (and yes, Flat and Snap) are the kind of effort Linux needs. I'm very happy to see this effort being put in to make the OS more usable.
Clear Linux uses their own package manager called swupd along with Flatpaks and both are available in their store. Solus will also be following by integrating Flatpaks and Snaps into their Software Center when they update their package manager to Sol to replace eopkg.

Steam is preinstalled on Manjaro which is why it doesn't show up. https://manjaro.org/features/usercas...0it%20manually.

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Literally none of those are the same functionality, and you linked nothing like YAST.

Clear is just using Flat, and while Flat and Snap are doing a service to the community, they do not work like normal repo managers. Manjaro's doesn't list Steam at all, and I'm being nitpicky, but several of those app pages do not have a download button on the info page.

OpenSUSE compiles the application for not only the latest copy of their OS, but for several versions going back, sometimes down the the KDE version you have installed, as well as for other distros which you can search by in the top;


Attachment 358066

And if a main Repo does not support it, it can be community hosted and submitted;

https://build.opensuse.org/

This (and yes, Flat and Snap) are the kind of effort Linux needs. I'm very happy to see this effort being put in to make the OS more usable.



There are also very few alternatives to WMIC for remotely getting a BIOS saved Tag/SN or installing applications without GP push that are not also Microsoft owned and command line. Guess it depends on if you count Desktop Support in line with Desktop Use.

I've been thinking about moving my machines over to opensuse. It does have nice tools, and looking through the packages, it has just about everything I want. As soon as I'm done the burn-in-test on my new 16TB drive with badblocks (it's been 111 hours so far) I'm installing opensuse on my server.

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I haven't had any Linux distros GUI do nothing. Only time the proprietary driver GUI changes is when it's a different version(which is often). That's why I use Solus since they keep their packages up to date. The quality of their packages are fantastic with great descriptions in their software center. I don't have to worry about third party repositories.

Getting vsync and G-Sync to work is just a check box on all distro's with nVidia's proprietary drivers when using x11. Even enabling overclocking is just a simple text edit within the driver to modify the xorg.conf file. Again most display issues are due to Nvidia which is why Ikey Doherty mentioned he will be blacklisting Nvidia's drivers.




They still haven't begun developing it yet and I'm sure he is advertising to contributors what his goals are with the new distro he's going to begin working on. Dropping legacy bios support is the new modern trend. Intel announced in 2017 they'll be dropping legacy bios support from all their client and datacenter platforms by 2020. Apple dropped legacy bios support back in 2015, Microsoft is working on it and even released a conversion tool called mbr2gpt(Works very well) back in Windows build 1703. Fedora just started talking about dropping support also.
Monitor overclocking on Solus did nothing. Changes made but no change happening even if it would be black screen or no signal, etc. on Windows in such situation.

BIOS is long dead, like a decade dead. And EFI is 2 decades old so who wanted it could use it for along time now.


When it comes to gaming, you have to be lucky on Linux to have GPU drivers that perform well but also that the game is natively supported as otherwise the performance via wrappers/translation to different APIs is still quite a bit inferior to any native mode be it native in Win or Lin or Mac.

4k HDR 10 bit with ray/path tracing DX12, can Linux run that? I don't think so. How about the same in Vulkan without HW accelerated tracing.
So far a game using C#/.NET is still a no go on Linux even though graphically it can run. Plus when all major 3rd party tools/launchers for the game are again in C#/.NET... it turns into a total dead end. Sure for some games you could go and write your own launcher for Linux, good luck wasting 6 months of work for some 0.001% of users.
How about playing hardware accelerated 8k60 HDR 10 bit VP9 video? And I mean with output from the GPU in HDR 10 bit etc. not crushed into SDR 8 bit BT709 by the video player. Seems still not? despite this being in development for half a decade now by many parties including Nvidia.

There are things that are not so uncommon that are still a no go on Linux :/ Almost always the bleeding edge multimedia related stuff is quite delayed on Linux, by 5-10 years even.
It's a shame as many people would make the switch if they didn't have to give up so many things.

Linux is fine for basic users without need for games/videos/...multimedia. I install it for them when I can, no problems, some can't tell the difference from Windows anyway, click here or click there no bloody difference.
Linux is fine for tinkerers who want to extend it and spend their free time in CLI troubleshooting.
Linux is fine for purpose built machines: servers, mobile, IOT, networking, ...

For those that don't want to give up features and support for most software, it is not. And this is probably majority of enthusiasts and other demanding users, programmers, power users, and so on.


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