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[FossBytes] Meet Serpent OS: A Truly Modern Linux Distribution Under Development

Source: https://fossbytes.com/serpent-os-tru...-distribution/

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Serpent OS is a new project announced by Ikey Doherty, who is currently CEO at Lispy Snake and also ex-leader and founder of Solus OS. He is the person who gave us one of the most beautiful Linux distribution Solus OS and desktop environment Budgie.

Now, he is creating a truly modern Linux Distribution with notably different goals from the mainstream offering. To know what it means to say, you have to know what Serpent Linux is not going to be.

Though a clear picture of what Serpent will include and what not is not out yet. But here are some features revealed so far.

Systemd init system
No more usrbin split
100% clang-built throughout (including kernel)
musl as libc, relying on compiler optimizations instead of inline asm
libc++ instead of libstdc++
LLVM’s binutils variants (lld, as, etc.)
Mixed source/binary distribution
Moving away from x86_64-generic baseline to newer CPUs, including Intel and AMD specific optimizations
Capability based subscriptions in package manager (Hardware/ user choice / etc)
UEFI only. No more legacy boot.
Completely open-source, down to the bootstrap / rebuild scripts
Seriously optimised for serious workloads.
Third party applications reliant on containers only. No compat-hacks
Wayland-only
Fully stateless with management tools and upstreaming of patches
https://www.serpentos.com/about/

Excited to see where this leads, definitely ticks all the boxes that would make a modern OS.

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Systemd init system

I really waffle on this and have no clue if systemd is the correct solution even though it seems there needs to be one.
The arguments for both sides are pretty solid.

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Aka yet another distro to confuse people even more.

I'm more interested in proper support for features people want to use outside of work/research/server areas. All the multimedia, graphics, audio, etc. having proper GPU drivers, good support for useful everyday software, good support for games and the still necessary related "emulators/workarounds" to get them to run on Linux. Does one have to spend a week in CLI to get simple stuff done or is it supported out of the box or with a simple up to date software/package manager GUI.

Solus is nice but so is Manjaro, Mint.

All of the technical details listed don't matter to average home user, they are more for Linux enthusiasts who get emotionally attached about init vs systemd and the like, proprietary vs "open source" GPU driver, ... stuff that doesn't matter to users. This has been going on on the Linux front for decades. The community dividing itself endlessly and not much willing to pull by the same end of a rope, instead each wanting to have their own rope to rope in some customers/users.

The ease of distro creation of course only promotes this division, it's great to have but it's being a bit abused. 5 years passes and a distro popular today may be forgotten.

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A recurring theme that holds back the development of world-class Linux, is high tolerance for those holding Linux back. A perfect example is NVIDIA* and their lack of support for accelerated Wayland support on their GPUs. Consequently, our project won’t tolerate such decisions and will instead blacklist the NVIDIA proprietary drivers from the distribution.

There are other examples that will emerge over time, and will become quite clear.

The time for Linux distributions giving in, with thousands of man hours wasted working around negative actors, had come to an end.
Aka the never ending lack of proper hardware support especially when it comes to GPUs. Competing OS components and GPU makers not wanting to invest into supporting them all.

Competition is great but in case of Linux's components it hampers it's adoption and support. Imagine if Windows had several mutually exclusive parts in it and each user choose a part they like, then everyone would have to support all those components instead of just 1 common that everyone uses.

Linux distro usually does way better when it's backed by a strong company to push their distro forward, sort out the problems and get things working.
A program made for Linux... well it may work on one distro but who knows about the other ones with different components in them.

I guess banning the most popular GPU maker's driver is one way to "solve" problems but I doubt a small new distro is gonna force them to support that distro/feature/component. In the end the hurt will be to the distro and it's users.
It would have to be a major player in the market to be able to enact such leverage and for Linux distros, that's probably none of them when it comes to Nvidia.


Granted some of the parts of many Linux distros are archaic so it's nice to see a distro focused on getting rid of the old legacy solutions and being built from ground up using latest solutions/components. As far as actual support and end user experience goes, probably as bad as ever for anything outside of office or server work.
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Aka yet another distro to confuse people even more.

I'm more interested in proper support for features people want to use outside of work/research/server areas. All the multimedia, graphics, audio, etc. having proper GPU drivers, good support for useful everyday software, good support for games and the still necessary related "emulators/workarounds" to get them to run on Linux. Does one have to spend a week in CLI to get simple stuff done or is it supported out of the box or with a simple up to date software/package manager GUI.

Solus is nice but so is Manjaro, Mint.
That's where Solus comes into play, it's geared for home users. It's not geared toward work/research/servers because there are already distros available for those purposes. You haven't used Solus if you think you need to use the terminal to get things done. It's easier to get a system up and running on Solus than it is in Windows. All that can be accomplished by Software Center and Hardware Drivers(DoFlicky) if you have a Nvidia video card.

Edit: I want to add pretty much every Linux distro with a desktop can be configured with a GUI. The issue is that all the guides online provide steps using the terminal.

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That's where Solus comes into play, it's geared for home users. It's not geared toward work/research/servers because there are already distros available for those purposes. You haven't used Solus if you think you need to use the terminal to get things done. It's easier to get a system up and running on Solus than it is in Windows. All that can be accomplished by Software Center and Hardware Drivers(DoFlicky) if you have a Nvidia video card.

Edit: I want to add pretty much every Linux distro with a desktop can be configured with a GUI. The issue is that all the guides online provide steps using the terminal.
Curious. Why is that an issue?


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Curious. Why is that an issue?
Syntax, todays generation has no clue how to get the syntax correct and thats why they need gui's.

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Curious. Why is that an issue?

It's not. I don't know why people still complain about it.

Making a guide that says
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Which they can just copy & paste, Is a lot easier and faster then telling someone to:
Open Software Center, search for p7zip-full, then click the box, then click install.

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Curious. Why is that an issue?
It scares beginners that are looking for an alternative to Windows/Mac. I rarely see basic Windows and Mac guides showing users how to accomplish their task using CMD/Powershell/Terminal even though that's more efficient than using the GUI. New users need to understand that the terminal is optional just like the other operating systems.

Linux desktop distros would gain more users if they had guides showing a GUI along with a note informing them the efficient way would be to use terminal with the listed command.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Hueristic View Post
Syntax, todays generation has no clue how to get the syntax correct and thats why they need gui's.

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It's not. I don't know why people still complain about it.

Making a guide that says
Code:
sudo apt-get install p7zip-full
Which they can just copy & paste, Is a lot easier and faster then telling someone to:
Open Software Center, search for p7zip-full, then click the box, then click install.

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It scares beginners that are looking for an alternative to Windows/Mac. I rarely see basic Windows and Mac guides showing users how to accomplish their task using CMD/Powershell/Terminal even though that's more efficient than using the GUI. New users need to understand that the terminal is optional just like the other operating systems.

Linux desktop distros would gain more users if they had guides showing a GUI along with a note informing them the efficient way would be to use terminal with the listed command.
That's what I suspected. But aren't there plenty of guides out there now that are chock full of such syntax examples?

Anyway, I was weaned on Unix way back when I was issued my own Sparc 4 at work when I worked for one of the big telecoms. Kinda made it easy to learn how to use the terminal, shell, bash, or whatever people are calling it these days. Didn't have such online guides way back when; just guidebooks, UNIX Help, and learn by example.


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