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The precedent that the operators of a communal sharing site or marketplace should be responsible for all content.

ah yes, stores should indeed manage their inventories themselves, even if the item was sold by a 3rd-party.
e.g. like a mall's management policy, what would happen to that mall if one of it's stalls started selling drugs and illegal firearms?

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The precedent that the operators of a communal sharing site or marketplace should be responsible for all content.

ah yes, stores should indeed manage their inventories themselves, even if the item was sold by a 3rd-party.
e.g. like a mall's management policy, what would happen to that mall if one of it's stalls started selling drugs and illegal firearms?
I'm pretty sure Blameless was arguing the opposite.

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I'm pretty sure Blameless was arguing the opposite.

weeeell.... i was thinking he was implying that the store owner/manager should be held responsible, either way its an issue.
but still, these stores should still tighten their rules regarding sold goods, specially when they're getting all these "stolen credit card" complaints.

furthermore, TinyBuild itself shouldn't just accept mass-orders without confirming the validity of the credit card holder, otherwise they can't complain about their loses due to negligence.

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ah yes, stores should indeed manage their inventories themselves, even if the item was sold by a 3rd-party.
e.g. like a mall's management policy, what would happen to that mall if one of it's stalls started selling drugs and illegal firearms?

Now imagine that same mall, with the same amount of staff, is the size of a large city.

That's why it's unreasonable to expect complete oversight on a digital market.

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Now imagine that same mall, with the same amount of staff, is the size of a large city.

That's why it's unreasonable to expect complete oversight on a digital market.

you're implying that they're doing it without the "city" being aware, i was implying that they're aware or at least had a hint but shrugged it off saying "sure, sell whatever".
the digital market is different though, everything goes through the server, nothing can be sold without being seen and checked.

thus they can be blocked even before they're put up on sale on a digital market, its obvious that they don't confirm the product's authenticity.

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G2A would probably not exist if they started turning away the business they get from "shady" sellers. That is why they don't do anything about it.

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Essentially, though there are quite a few people, my self included, who believe such precedents are harmful.

Artificially segregated economies are one of the great banes of humanity. The overall human condition, not to mention worldwide GDP, would be vastly better without it.

Those price differentials (ones not directly related to pure supply and demand) don't exist to protect people, but to exploit them.

 

Exactly. Businesses will do anything within their legal and even 'grey' means in order to increase profits. Why would I not do the same in order to reduce costs? If I'm not doing anything provably illegal and merely exploiting some loophole that works to my advantage, how would I be different from the publishers that some people are working so hard to protect (without being paid, I might add)?

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I'm pretty sure Blameless was arguing the opposite.

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weeeell.... i was thinking he was implying that the store owner/manager should be held responsible, either way its an issue.

An individual store/seller is one thing, but a marketplace is a loosely managed collection of multiple stores/sellers.

I don't feel it's reasonable that the marketplace operator automatically assume the worst of a store/seller, or that they be required to independently verify the quality and origin of a seller's goods. Having reasonable terms of use and banning a sellers when evidence of a violation is presented should be enough. Having each link be responsible for a deep chain of custody is neither practical, nor IMO, reasonable.

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G2A wouldn't exists, without stolen products...

 

There are only so many keys out there. More companies are aware of sites like G2A, so they are starting to limit the "free" give-away keys, etc. Or marketing their games with tainted keys, that only last a certain trial, etc.

 

Funny, that so many little kids have to own every game, and to brag they own...   only to find out they are second hand shoppers. They should just have advertisements on their screen when they playing, to supplement the cost of the game they can't afford. Beggars can't be choosers.

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An individual store/seller is one thing, but a marketplace is a loosely managed collection of multiple stores/sellers.

I don't feel it's reasonable that the marketplace operator automatically assume the worst of a store/seller, or that they be required to independently verify the quality and origin of a seller's goods. Having reasonable terms of use and banning a sellers when evidence of a violation is presented should be enough. Having each link be responsible for a deep chain of custody is neither practical, nor IMO, reasonable.

that would be great and all if it also applied to torrent host sites, now we have no kickass, and a half-crippled TPB, of course they have their own situations.

if i remember right TPB founders denied DMCA complaints so they also have their faults, sure arrest them but shutting the site down is still too much.

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