Originally Posted by Ultracarpet
See, the funny part is, that if for some reason everyone was still interested in these games, and the lobby's were packed, your friends were all playing, people were buying xbox's and PC's to play the game... we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You would be busy playing the game and enjoying yourself rather than picking apart every last detail about the game to try and figure out where it all is going wrong.
I can only speak for myself but I gather the same thing happened with a lot of the OG players from these franchises. A lot of us just rage quit and that's why the lobby's aren't packed with our kind waiting to play these kinds of games and we got pushed out by the new groups who didn't mind (probably because they didn't know better or remember better).
You spoke earlier about how the BF franchise incrementally got worse after BF2/2142 (2142 was really just BF2 with a futuristic re-skin and slight tweaks, which is also why it was very popular and almost just as successful as BF2). It's absolutely true. What happened was that the core BF audience was waiting penitently for years for the next "big one" that never ended up coming.
Not long after 2142 DICE made their first huge technological leap with the Forstbite engine and developed Bad Company 1 as a sort of trial run and a way to dip their toes into the ever increasing console market at the time with their first console title since Modern Combat. It was a success and then Bad Company 2 came along, it was the first cross platform BF title and yes it was worse in every single way. Except we all knew it was going to be cross platform in advance and understood the limitations, with the new engine, visuals, etc we knew they would employ classic tricks to make the game able to run on consoles so the maps with be constricted, boundaries set artificially small, large goofy gun models that take up 60% of your FOV to keep frame rates high, overly simplified mechanics to appeal to more casual players, etc.
We sort of all dealt with it, thinking this was just an interim game to keep us tied down until "the big one". A lot of the cons could be forgiven in return for the new groundbreaking and exhilarating game play dynamics opened up by the new fully destructible environments from the Forstbite 2.0 engine. But yea, like I was saying we figured the whole thing was just a demo, and we were all holding out for the big one, the "BF3", the day everything would come together. A real PC only Battlefield where the devs would take advantage of the extra horsepower of PC's to really push the envelope once again and like 2005 and BF2, do stuff that just wasn't possible on any other platform. Using the PC's hp to create even bigger maps, higher player counts, etc. Make a true Battlefield 2 successor with everything from it and then more plus the fully destructible environments.
And we waited, waited, waited some more and then nothing. BF3 was basically a console game from the ground up designed with console restrictions (physical hardware and casual gameplay style) that was just then ported to the PC and so has every other title since. I saw the writing on the wall with BF3, others waited until BF4. No more mod community support, DLC, micro transactions, lol remember the BF3 "Premium" thing? Stupid social media crap like "Battlelog", etc.
The real "BF3" everyone was waiting for never came. So yea basically the whole hardcore BF community fragmented and disbanded, rage quit and you have what you have today. There was definitely people just itching for this "imaginary" BF game you say we describe, me and all the other guys in this thread are the remnants of that community that was waiting for that next true sequel that never came. There was that glimmer of hope that with BF going back to WWII with BF:V that might happened. After all the little known (little by today's audience anyway) BF1943
title from 09 was actually a pretty decent reincarnation of 1942 given physical limits of consoles at the time. All that and well you know what happened from here, BF SJW Fortnite....