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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-13-2018, 05:24 AM
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I would argue that this whole controversy is actually about putting paid games of chances in the homes of minors that are scientifically molded to have the greatest possible psychological effect to get those minors addicted.

Don’t forget that kids have a different view on things like value and money compared to adults. At the end of the day any paid game of chance that uses credit cards as a form of transaction are usually required that the card holder be on average 18 years or older so the game should be marketed at the very least to +18.

Parents that may or may not have any idea about lootboxes will have an idea about age ratings.
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In FIFA, people buy these packs in the hope of getting top players or special cards which are very expensive, & pretty much impossible to buy with in-game points. OTOT EA comes up with special packs which mention improved chances of winning rare cards, but the packs are quite expensive(in game points). There are those who would spend 100s of pounds/dollars to buy multiple packs in the hope of getting one of these rare cards/players. But end up with very mediocre players which do not reflect the value of the money spent.

EA started out with top players as expensive rare cards, then moved on to Players with special/improved abilities / stat boosts such as;
Chemistry Style, In-Form players, TOTY, TOTM etc..
Legend players, Icon players etc..

But that is same as Baseball Cards, the cards of better players are worth more....over time some worth thousands of dollars. Baseball cards are also bought my minors. When I was young I would walk around school with a bunch of cards wrapped in a rubberband trading them throughout the day.

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Would rather consumers decide what is acceptable rather than the government making that decision for everyone. Legislating EA and the rest of the gaming industry into the ground is not going to result in better games.

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But that is same as Baseball Cards, the cards of better players are worth more....over time some worth thousands of dollars. Baseball cards are also bought my minors. When I was young I would walk around school with a bunch of cards wrapped in a rubberband trading them throughout the day.
The reality is, if I am understanding it correctly, there are exemption clauses that deal with similar things in different ways. The fact is that baseball cards are not as wide spread a problem on minors mental health in the digital age we live in when compared to lootboxes. EA loves comparing their cash cow to baseball cards hoping to sway public opinion even when they hire psychologists to fine tune every tiny detail the same way casinos fine tune their games of chances.

Putting aside these countries and their decisions for a moment what would be so wrong with raising the age restrictions of all games that offer lootboxes to +18? Minors would still be able to persuade their parents in buying the games and parents would be educated into exactly what they are buying their children.

The goal is not only to prevent minors from becoming addicted to the adrenaline high when opening a card they wanted after many failed purchases, but also to create higher standards for what is considered to be an enjoyable experience that does not revolve around failed purchases and adrenaline highs due to winning at paid games of chances.
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The reality is, if I am understanding it correctly, there are exemption clauses that deal with similar things in different ways. The fact is that baseball cards are not as wide spread a problem on minors mental health in the digital age we live in when compared to lootboxes. EA loves comparing their cash cow to baseball cards hoping to sway public opinion even when they hire psychologists to fine tune every tiny detail the same way casinos fine tune their games of chances.

Putting aside these countries and their decisions for a moment what would be so wrong with raising the age restrictions of all games that offer lootboxes to +18? Minors would still be able to persuade their parents in buying the games and parents would be educated into exactly what they are buying their children.

The goal is not only to prevent minors from becoming addicted to the adrenaline high when opening a card they wanted after many failed purchases, but also to create higher standards for what is considered to be an enjoyable experience that does not revolve around failed purchases and adrenaline highs due to winning at paid games of chances.

That would be better than banning them outright, for the adults who might actually enjoy having the option in the game.

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But that is same as Baseball Cards, the cards of better players are worth more....over time some worth thousands of dollars. Baseball cards are also bought my minors. When I was young I would walk around school with a bunch of cards wrapped in a rubberband trading them throughout the day.
I understand your point, But what EA is doing is selling a game for $60 to $80. Now to play with the top rated players online, you have to put more money into the game with no guarantees of getting them.
There's a video on YT where one puts £5000 & still didn't get one of the two top rated players. And this is not an isolated incident hence not surprising for FIFA players.

And also, the game lasts only for one year & the cycle starts all over again. The game in itself is barely improved since 2012. The offline modes have only gone down.

The only things that have been upgraded is, more cards & packs.

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Would rather consumers decide what is acceptable rather than the government making that decision for everyone. Legislating EA and the rest of the gaming industry into the ground is not going to result in better games.
True, but unfortunately that does not happen. And that's the reason for various govt. laws & regulations.

Consumers making bad/stupid decisions forces the govt to step in, because ultimately people usually end up asking 'what is the govt doing?'

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Would rather consumers decide what is acceptable rather than the government making that decision for everyone. Legislating EA and the rest of the gaming industry into the ground is not going to result in better games.
Well the whole point of the rating systems is so there the industry regulates itself. But it refuses to do it right and pushes lootboxes and all other kind of manipulation tricks on kids. Not to mention that it was very obvious that lootboxes weren't optional despite them saying so. Looking at you BF2 and Shadow of war that required whole redesigning to be functional after they got removed.
It was a matter of time before the government got involved and you can thank EA/Blizzard/2k/WB and many more for that.


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When I was young I would walk around school with a bunch of cards wrapped in a rubberband trading them throughout the day.
You must have been the most productive person I'd have come across.
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You must have been the most productive person I'd have come across.

It was between classes, recess and bathroom breaks....and it was a different time. Kids actually collected baseball cards.

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