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post #21 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-17-2018, 09:27 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post
I suspect this is intentional.

NVIDIA is going to withhold the drivers to activate RT, in order to prevent reviews on that feature and its... performance... comes out. They're going to bank on people buying the tech before the tech is tested. Which strangely was exactly the message THG's editor in chief touted in that recent paid ad... I mean editorial. "Buy it, pre order it, before we test it!"
I really wonder what has happened to you that has generated such a jaded perspective. Can you not see how idiotic a business strategy that would be?
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I really wonder what has happened to you that has generated such a jaded perspective. Can you not see how idiotic a business strategy that would be?
Nvidia are the ones actually using the strategy. We're just sitting here in shock at what we're seeing.
A GPU company spends the bulk of their launch event talking about the primary feature, that we later find out will not work at launch (if not years before we see it working in any meaningful capacity), and is jacking up prices to insane heights for the privilege of waiting an indeterminate amount of time for features to be ready to use.

This the same as crowdfunding for Star Citizen, except it's being perpetrated by the most successful manufacturer in the industry. Just imagine if Star Citizen had been started by EA?

RTX is practically as much of a paper launch as Vega was.
Nvidia is so competitive that every time AMD hits a new low Nvidia just can't help but try to match them.
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I am going to assume chicken and egg issue here. No game supports RT because RT hasn't been offered in the past. Brute forcing real time RT rendering tended to be rather slow and not practical for games so games simply never used RT.

When the RT enabled hardware comes out, it may be a matter of time before games will support it. Or if it'd end up a niche that would eventually die quietly in some years.

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I am going to assume chicken and egg issue here. No game supports RT because RT hasn't been offered in the past. Brute forcing real time RT rendering tended to be rather slow and not practical for games so games simply never used RT.

When the RT enabled hardware comes out, it may be a matter of time before games will support it. Or if it'd end up a niche that would eventually die quietly in some years.
Everyone is saying DICE had two weeks to get their RT tech in.
This is half the reason RTX is a joke right now.
If they wanted to sell GPU's they should have had people working with those developers from Day1 of Battlefield V development. If this is supposed to be the revolutionary tech everyone has been waiting for then these should be ground up implementations, not a bunch of hackjob "it'll get patched in later" lame excuses.
At least they could have said "Hey, it's early days, we'll give you a good deal on the silicon" and only raise prices by 30% on each tier, but that's not how Nvidia works, the target market for these products is fanatics who will act like it's a matter of pride to spend the most money as soon as possible.
For those who have such monies, great for them, I'm sure it does give them some satisfaction. For everyone else, Nvidia may as well have announced that they're selling a Lamborghini.
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I really wonder what has happened to you that has generated such a jaded perspective. Can you not see how idiotic a business strategy that would be?
Not to mention how nVidia is not free from consumer laws. Atleast here in Europe,you can return products up to 7 days after purchase for whatever reason.

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Quote: Originally Posted by GoLDii3 View Post
Not to mention how nVidia is not free from consumer laws. Atleast here in Europe,you can return products up to 7 days after purchase for whatever reason.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
7 days isn't a lot of time
Just at our local micro center it has a no questions asked for 30 days plus one can purchase a 1-2-3 year in-store warranty pretty cheep and never deal with another manufacture ever again
That's because it's not 7 days; it's 14 by law, but most places afford you 30.

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Quote: Originally Posted by GoLDii3 View Post
Not to mention how nVidia is not free from consumer laws. Atleast here in Europe,you can return products up to 7 days after purchase for whatever reason.
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Just at our local micro center it has a no questions asked for 30 days plus one can purchase a 1-2-3 year in-store warranty pretty cheep and never deal with another manufacture ever again
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
That's because it's not 7 days; it's 14 by law, but most places afford you 30.
You are all correct, but the driver which enables particular feature might be released weeks or months later after the release of the hardware. In this case I would advise to all potential customers caution.

If the initial driver will work "just" with DX12, it would not be enough for RMA after that time passes.

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There's no point preordering a 2080/2080ti. Better wait for the official reviews and how (and if) the ray tracing technology will be implemented.

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Everyone is saying DICE had two weeks to get their RT tech in.
This is half the reason RTX is a joke right now.
If they wanted to sell GPU's they should have had people working with those developers from Day1 of Battlefield V development. If this is supposed to be the revolutionary tech everyone has been waiting for then these should be ground up implementations, not a bunch of hackjob "it'll get patched in later" lame excuses.
At least they could have said "Hey, it's early days, we'll give you a good deal on the silicon" and only raise prices by 30% on each tier, but that's not how Nvidia works, the target market for these products is fanatics who will act like it's a matter of pride to spend the most money as soon as possible.
For those who have such monies, great for them, I'm sure it does give them some satisfaction. For everyone else, Nvidia may as well have announced that they're selling a Lamborghini.
Except developers can't work on RTX until they have a physical RTX gpu with a fully featured driver. Nvidia can't start giving out turing GPUs to developers until bulk production is ready, and once your in bulk production you probably want to launch the product ASAP because you don't want to just be sitting on massive amounts of stock like that. Not to mention that bulk production is typically when all the leaks start hitting the media, and once that happens you really need to release before your product gets it's reputation rekt by ignorant speculation.
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