[Eurogamer] Witcher author demands more money from CD Projekt - Page 2 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community

Forum Jump: 

[Eurogamer] Witcher author demands more money from CD Projekt

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #11 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 09:44 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
mouacyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,635
Rep: 158 (Unique: 118)
What may hold up (Law effective in 1994, prior to contract signed in 2003):

Quote:
Article 44.
In the event of a gross discrepancy between the remuneration of the author and the benefits of the acquirer of author's economic rights or the licensee, the author may request that the court should duly increase his remuneration.
What's ugly (from request letter):
Quote:
Both we and you are, after all, fully aware of the fact that even going public with a copyright claim may
negatively impact the Group’s reputation and further growth. This is particularly true if the claim concerns
your core activity and your most important product... We can reasonably expect that the negative
consequences of the fact that Mr. Sapkowski has not received his due compensation, and furthermore,
that the validity of your copyright contracts has been called into question, may translate into a decrease
in stock prices significant enough to exceed the demands formulated in this notice.

This is why, as of now, we have not publicized the fact that we had undertaken the matter in question,
and, naturally, the type and extent of the claims themselves. We believe and assume that you will
appreciate this circumstance and that it will help us conclude the matter in a short time
That letter is more a threat than a request. I enjoyed the books in addition to the games, but this is going to make memories of the books turn sour. Urgh.

CPU: Q6600 X5470 2100T 5775C 1680V2
GPU: 8800GT 9800GTX+ 750Ti 1080Ti
RAM: 4x8GBTX 2x8GBTZ
Gentoo64 in Water
(14 items)
LGA775 X5470
(6 items)
CPU
9900K 5GHz 1.224v
Motherboard
EVGA Z370 Micro
GPU
MSI 1080TI GXEK 2100.5/12627
RAM
16GB Trident Z 4000C16
Hard Drive
970 EVO 500GB
Power Supply
Seasonic X850 Gold
Cooling
480mm Radiator Custom
Case
Silverstone FT03
Operating System
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Operating System
Gentoo Linux 64 Multi-Lib
Monitor
Acer Predator XB271UH 165Hz
Keyboard
Logitech G710+
Mouse
Logitech G502
Audio
Sound Blaster Z
CPU
X5470 4GHz (stock v)
Motherboard
GA-EP45-UD3P
GPU
EVGA 9800 GTX+ 512MB
RAM
8GB 4x2GB GSkill 1066MHz DDR2
Cooling
XSPC Rasa, D5 + Res, 240mm Rad
Case
Lian-Li PC7-HX
▲ hide details ▲

Last edited by mouacyk; 10-02-2018 at 09:47 AM.
mouacyk is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 09:47 AM
Retired Staff
 
tpi2007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 10,796
Rep: 863 (Unique: 491)
Not even the argument that the license was only for the first game stands, he only first talked about it almost two years after the Witcher 3 came out (the first interview last year linked in the source article); by then the Witcher 2 had already amassed some success and came out even more years before. Of course, the success was not to the extent of the third one, but that's telling of when he or money hungry lawyers counselled him to do this, but I don't think that it has any merit and to be frank, nor do I think that they think that; their wording carefully avoids any mention of courts or anything even implying it in case there is no successful resolution, they know that they don't have anything to stand on other than going public and hoping that the audience sides somewhat with him, now that he's getting the Netflix contract, and thus has even more mainstream audience.

As others said, you can't just walk back on your word more than ten years after the fact, even more so as you publicly admitted that they even offered you a percentage of the profits and you declined because you didn't believe that there would be any. It doesn't get any clearer than this. And it's not even a matter of having made the wrong decision then, it seemed like the right decision at the time, because in order for the game to be successful the game devs have to start from scratch in many ways and success is pretty much unknown at the time, even less so predicting that a sequel and then a third game would be even better and supplant the success of the books themselves.

All in all, the success of the Witcher series of games is in great part due to CD Projekt Red's efforts, and it didn't even pay off immediately on a worldwide scale, the first game flew under the radar for most people, it was only more than three and a half years later with the sequel that it gained worldwide traction and then even more with the third. The Witcher books didn't have anywhere near the worldwide audience that the second and third games have, so who actually benefited more from this deal?

Is your CPU bottlenecking your GPU ? Find out: CPU and GPU usage along with FPS in-game
Read my reviews here.
Clubs (founder): The rare / unusual CPU club
Clubs (member): Corsair Professional HX / AX Series PSU Owners Club || The Official Cooler Master HAF X/932/922/912(+) Club
CPU
Core i7-3820
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth X79
GPU
MSI GTX 1060 6 GB Gaming X
RAM
16 GB Corsair DDR3 1866 Mhz Dominator
Hard Drive
Samsung SSD 830 128GB + WD Caviar Black 2TB
Optical Drive
Sony Optiarc DVD-RW
Power Supply
Corsair AX750 Professional Modular 80 Plus Gold
Cooling
Corsair A70 + Noiseblocker M12-P
Case
Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Monitor
BenQ RL2455HM
Keyboard
Cooler Master Octane
Mouse
Cooler Master Octane
▲ hide details ▲



Last edited by tpi2007; 10-02-2018 at 10:22 AM.
tpi2007 is offline  
post #13 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 09:50 AM
Unwilling Beta tester
 
GingerJohn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 7,166
Rep: 867 (Unique: 621)
"Give us money or we'll say bad things about you and make your stock value drop"?

That's a real dirtbag move right there, and possibly borderline illegal in itself.

They might be able to argue that the author only sold rights sufficient to make the first game, that would very much depend on the wording of the original contract, but that would be tricky to do.

Inspiring Quotes
Spoiler!


GingerJohn is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #14 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 09:50 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
deepor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4,597
Rep: 463 (Unique: 311)
Quote: Originally Posted by Offler View Post
That contract apparently happened sometime in 2005-6. The Witcher series became mildly known in Central Europe and Sapkowski got a name as "polish Tolkien". What is (and was problem back then) is that people here are used to pay and get paid a fixed sum of money, instead of negotiate for royalties.

After the 2nd games it became known globally, and it needed 3rd one to get the attention it has now. And the name is apparently still selling. Gwent, Thronebreaker, etc...

Tbh, i dont like the "sort of fame" Sapkowski gained (as he used to show up drunk on festivals), but i have to agree that he deserves even financial appreciation.
The way you explain what happened, it sounds like his books weren't really super popular before the CDPR games took off? Maybe the game series being successful was then good for him? He was perhaps able to sell a good amount more books than what he would have managed to do by himself. CDPR's work was then great marketing for him. Maybe CDPR should turn it around and ask him for money instead.
deepor is offline  
post #15 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 09:53 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
bucdan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 6,054
Rep: 202 (Unique: 181)
I want well for the author because of his great mind and story telling, and to CDPR for creating it into a beautiful game series, but man, it sucks to see this happen between the two parties. As we all say, "business is business". I guess you can't expect a happy partnership all the time for every IP out there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by holtzman go_quote.gif
Computer viruses are like herpes. You never think in a million years you'd get one... Till you do.
bucdan is offline  
post #16 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 10:27 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Woundingchaney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,117
Rep: 117 (Unique: 93)
No one can honestly say that this game series is not at least partially successful due to this mans literary work. The books are some of the best that can be found in the fantasy genre and create an excellent focal hero and plotline for a RPG series.

Having said that I do not believe that he is entitled to 17 million or anything along those lines, but if his initial payment was in fact this low then I personally believe that CDPR should in some way re-imburse him to some extent. What that final figure is, I personally believe should be between him and CDPR, the studio has had monumental success from the series and while it is from their hardwork the entire basis of the games was this man's invention. To not acknowledge this or believe that 7000 usd was adequate compensation is simply not realistic and not the behavior that we expect from CDPR, who many of us believe to be the best developers in the industry now.

Woundingchaney is offline  
post #17 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 10:34 AM
PC Evangelist
 
ZealotKi11er's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto, CA
Posts: 45,303
Rep: 1789 (Unique: 1170)
Was he even part of the game development like Mike Pondsmith is for CP2077? He is an old-school author which does not believe in games. He should get not money for a media he cant comprehend.

Ishimura
(13 items)
Yamato
(10 items)
CPU
Intel Core i7-3770K @ 4.8GHz
Motherboard
ASRock Z77E-ITX
GPU
AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition
RAM
AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10
Hard Drive
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB
Hard Drive
Toshiba X300 5TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3
Cooling
Corsair H100i GTX
Case
Fractal Design Define Nano S
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
Monitor
LG OLED55C7P
Keyboard
Cooler Master MasterKeys MK750
Mouse
Finalmouse Air58 Ninja
CPU
Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard
ASUS Z170 Deluxe
GPU
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid
RAM
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000 CL15
Hard Drive
Samsung SM961 512GB
Hard Drive
HGST DeskStar NAS 6TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 P2
Cooling
Cooler Master Nepton 280L
Case
Fractal Design Meshify C TG
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
▲ hide details ▲


ZealotKi11er is offline  
post #18 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 10:41 AM
Tank destroyer and a god
 
Offler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,179
Rep: 80 (Unique: 62)
Quote: Originally Posted by deepor View Post
The way you explain what happened, it sounds like his books weren't really super popular before the CDPR games took off? Maybe the game series being successful was then good for him? He was perhaps able to sell a good amount more books than what he would have managed to do by himself. CDPR's work was then great marketing for him. Maybe CDPR should turn it around and ask him for money instead.
Well back in 2005-6 gaming studios from Europe just started to build their names. Some of them are now renowned artists (artwork, motion capture, writing) , some other vanished into obscurity.

At that time it was CDPR who wanted to capitalize on a renowned author. (even when he was not much known in the West at that time).

I agree that it opened a way for Sapkowskis work in much bigger market in the west, but most people in Central Europe had no idea whatsoever, how big the market was already back in 2006. They still lived in a world where computer games are a niche medium for weirdos.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
Offler is offline  
post #19 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 11:00 AM
Iconoclast
 
Blameless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 29,957
Rep: 3130 (Unique: 1869)
Quote: Originally Posted by KenLautner View Post
The success of Witcher games is thanks to CDPR.
The source material is really quite good and Sapkowski deserves acknowledgement for it. I'm not sure CDPR would have remotely as successful a franchise had they used their own IP.

However, as he says, he was foolish to license his work for what turned out to be a pittance.

Quote: Originally Posted by tconroy135 View Post
If he would have taken the points they had offered to him I'm pretty sure he would have made in excess of 14.
Almost certainly.

Quote: Originally Posted by Newbie2009 View Post
Give him a million bucks and be done with it.
They don't need to give him anything and they'd be foolish to. They were done with him the moment he signed rights over.

Quote: Originally Posted by mouacyk View Post
That letter is more a threat than a request. I enjoyed the books in addition to the games, but this is going to make memories of the books turn sour. Urgh.
A piece of art can stand on it's own merits. Doesn't need to matter one whit who the artist was.

Adolf Hitler could have written the books, in the blood of his victims, on to rag paper made from their stolen money and clothes, and they'd still be generally better than the games.

Quote: Originally Posted by deepor View Post
Maybe the game series being successful was then good for him?
Of course it was.

...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual. -- Thomas Jefferson
Haswell-E
(15 items)
Broadwell-E
(11 items)
Westmere
(13 items)
CPU
5820K @ 4.25/4.125GHz core/uncore, 1.21/1.2v
Motherboard
Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F23c + updated microcode)
GPU
Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485(5940), 1.031v
RAM
4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-11-12-26-T1, 1.39v
Hard Drive
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x)
Hard Drive
2x Crucial M4 256GB
Hard Drive
4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB
Power Supply
Seasonic Focus Plus 850 Platinum (SSR-850PX)
Cooling
Noctua NH-D15S + 2x Thermalright TY-143
Case
Corsair Carbide Air 540
Operating System
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1
Monitor
BenQ BL3200PT
Keyboard
Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown)
Mouse
Logitech G402
Audio
Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40
CPU
i7-6800K @ 4.2(4.1)/3.4GHz core(AVX)/uncore, 1.345/1.15v
Motherboard
ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.40)
GPU
MSI GTX 1080 Ti Duke OC @ 1950/1485MHz, 1.043v
RAM
4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v
Hard Drive
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe
Hard Drive
2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB
Power Supply
Corsair RM1000x
Cooling
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Direct + TY-143
Case
Fractal Design Define R4
Operating System
Windows Server 2016 Datacenter
Audio
ASUS Xonar DX
CPU
X5670 @ 4.3/3.7GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.35 qpi/vtt
Motherboard
Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS
GPU
Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1080/545, 1.275vGPU/1.394vHBM
RAM
2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2050, 10-11-11-30-T1, 1.52v
RAM
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2050, 10-11-11-30-T1, 1.52v
Hard Drive
OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB
Hard Drive
Hyundai Sapphire 120GB
Hard Drive
3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB
Power Supply
Seasonic SS-860XP2
Cooling
Noctua NH-D14
Case
Fractal Design Define R5
Operating System
Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS
▲ hide details ▲
Blameless is offline  
post #20 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 11:52 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
ILoveHighDPI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,146
Rep: 132 (Unique: 84)
Surely the deal with Netflix comes with a ton of money, that never would have happened without the success of the games.
Andrzej Sapkowski neither has any reason to complain nor does he have any conceivable right to dispute his original contract.

All that he's accomplished here is making sure I have no interest in buying any of his books.
ILoveHighDPI is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off