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[Phoronix] NVIDIA vs. Radeon Linux 5.0 + Mesa 19.0 Drivers - 14-Way Gaming GPU Comparison

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For your viewing pleasure today is a look at the current AMD Radeon and NVIDIA GeForce performance with the current line-up as of right now. Using the NVIDIA 415.27 driver, the GeForce GTX 1060, GTX 1070, GTX 1070 Ti, GTX 1080, GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 2060, RTX 2070, RTX 2080, RTX 2080 Ti, and TITAN RTX were benchmarked for the green side. On the AMD side was the Linux 5.0 kernel as of 27 January along with the latest Mesa 19.0-devel open-source driver state as of the same date with Padoka PPA and using the AMDGPU LLVM 9.0 SVN back-end. The Radeon cards tested today were the RX 580, RX 590, RX Vega 56, and RX Vega 64.

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Unread 01-29-2019, 04:34 PM
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Bottom line, nvidia still have better cards, and their linux drivers work pretty well.
Nothing really surprising, though in some cases the 2060 beating the vega 64 shows that AMD still need to work quite a lot on their linux drivers.


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And all still slower than on Windows it seems. But that Phoronix never wants to show. Plus at least AMD has multiple driver choices on Linux. They really should include it all, Win + Nix + available driver sources. And also talk about what features are available and missing on each OS + driver combination.
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You guys keep missing the point. Those are AMD cards running open source drivers against Nvidia cards running proprietary drivers.

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You guys keep missing the point. Those are AMD cards running open source drivers against Nvidia cards running proprietary drivers.
.....and they will reliably continue to do so.
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I do not know why this even matters. If the market is there AMD would put more effort into Linux Gaming Drivers. There is no reason for AMD to spread thin for some Linux folks.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Imouto View Post
You guys keep missing the point. Those are AMD cards running open source drivers against Nvidia cards running proprietary drivers.
I'm sorry, but I'm with the NVIDIA fanboys on this one. That doesn't help AMD's case when it comes to Vega because AMD's proprietary drivers don't perform any better. Vega continues to be a great value card for Blender that can also play games. I'm sure that the Radeon VII will be exactly the same story. From where I'm standing you can give up on the idea of AMD ever bothering to try to beat NVIDIA on the upper end ever again. The last time they did that was 2013, and everybody bought NVIDIA anyway. From here on out AMD's graphics line is data center first, games second, and if NVIDIA wants to waste the R&D money it can keep the performance crown because AMD is firmly planning to be the budget manufacturer. AMD doesn't care if you want them to put out a card so that NVIDIA lowers their prices, they aren't gonna bother, probably ever again.

AMD's 4K solution is multi-GPU, at least on the PC. They demoed that with the Vulkan implementation of Strange Brigade when they managed 4K @100FPS with two Vega 56's, but since that has to be implemented by the developer I wouldn't count on it becoming the norm.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
I'm sorry, but I'm with the NVIDIA fanboys on this one. That doesn't help AMD's case when it comes to Vega because AMD's proprietary drivers don't perform any better. Vega continues to be a great value card for Blender that can also play games. I'm sure that the Radeon VII will be exactly the same story. From where I'm standing you can give up on the idea of AMD ever bothering to try to beat NVIDIA on the upper end ever again. The last time they did that was 2013, and everybody bought NVIDIA anyway. From here on out AMD's graphics line is data center first, games second, and if NVIDIA wants to waste the R&D money it can keep the performance crown because AMD is firmly planning to be the budget manufacturer. AMD doesn't care if you want them to put out a card so that NVIDIA lowers their prices, they aren't gonna bother, probably ever again.

AMD's 4K solution is multi-GPU, at least on the PC. They demoed that with the Vulkan implementation of Strange Brigade when they managed 4K @100FPS with two Vega 56's, but since that has to be implemented by the developer I wouldn't count on it becoming the norm.
That's not the point of the thread. If you like to bicker back and forth endlessly in every single thread, no matter the topic, about how AMD can't compete in the high end no wonder these forums are going to hell.

Because that is, with all due respect, as boring as it can get.

It is bad enough that PC news have slowed down to a crawl to have people like WannaBeOCer repeating themselves ad nauseam about certain topics.

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I'm sorry, but I'm with the NVIDIA fanboys on this one. That doesn't help AMD's case when it comes to Vega because AMD's proprietary drivers don't perform any better. Vega continues to be a great value card for Blender that can also play games. I'm sure that the Radeon VII will be exactly the same story. From where I'm standing you can give up on the idea of AMD ever bothering to try to beat NVIDIA on the upper end ever again. The last time they did that was 2013, and everybody bought NVIDIA anyway. From here on out AMD's graphics line is data center first, games second, and if NVIDIA wants to waste the R&D money it can keep the performance crown because AMD is firmly planning to be the budget manufacturer. AMD doesn't care if you want them to put out a card so that NVIDIA lowers their prices, they aren't gonna bother, probably ever again.

AMD's 4K solution is multi-GPU, at least on the PC. They demoed that with the Vulkan implementation of Strange Brigade when they managed 4K @100FPS with two Vega 56's, but since that has to be implemented by the developer I wouldn't count on it becoming the norm.
That's not the point of the thread. If you like to bicker back and forth endlessly in every single thread, no matter the topic, about how AMD can't compete in the high end no wonder these forums are going to hell.

Because that is, with all due respect, as boring as it can get.

It is bad enough that PC news have slowed down to a crawl to have people like WannaBeOCer repeating themselves ad nauseam about certain topics.
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I do not know why this even matters. If the market is there AMD would put more effort into Linux Gaming Drivers. There is no reason for AMD to spread thin for some Linux folks.
Can confirm 0 interest in using linux let alone for gaming, and AMD has little incentive to allocate manpower for linux drivers. Windows is the PC gaming platform and that's that.

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