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post #11 of 35 (permalink) Old 02-16-2019, 06:24 PM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post
I own Civ Vi and I can tell you how it happened.

It came in with the new expansion. When you boot the new expansion for the first time a NEW EULA popup prompts you to accept it in order to play. This is an expansion people paid $39.99 for, and this popup looks visually identical to the original EULA you click past when you installed Civ Vi, with no obvious signs of a change people can click right past it without paying any attention. Its a really dirty move, because as we all know thanks to the star citizen lawsuit, if you PAY for something when a EULA change happens and you click "accept" you're now legally on the new EULA, even if you didn't read it, or thought it was the same as the former one. So by attaching this change to the new expansion in order to play the expansion you need to accept the new EULA, or you don't get the right to play the new expansion.

I accepted it because I assume every EULA I've signed (whether from Microsoft or anyone else) includes the same data-mining. Sort of just worn down by the invasion of my privacy at this point.
It makes sense for a company like google or Microsoft (not that it's good but at least makes sense), but for it to be in a game like this, means if people let this slip by it will be everywhere. Data mining everything all the time from every direction instead of just the major software vendors. If it's ok for Civ 6 to know my location, my browsing history, what devices I use, how long I sleep at night... then why can't McDonalds collect my data when I buy a cheeseburger?


Data collection isn't going away but there has to be a line, and this situation clearly crosses it.

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Data collection isn't going away but there has to be a line, and this situation clearly crosses it.
If the game had a huge bolded disclaimer saying "this game contain data collection and personal information mining", I would understand.

But no one expect a game to have a facebook data collection like system in place, which collects personal information in such a way and amount, and find about it after the purchase.
*** are they collecting people's names, phone numbers, IP addresses and their systems etc. That is literally a spyware. What the hell for is all that information?

I couldn't find the full EULA. I wonder if they have a clause saying that they are allowed to share the information they collect (or whether they state that it will not be shared). If they can share that information, that would make it even worse, but you know, they might do so anyway even if they say they don't.


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Steam data collects for the express purpose of keeping track of your hardware.

How do you think they compile the usage chart that are user accessible? They didn't get that with a wild guess. They got it by tracking every aspect of their customers hardware usage.

It's nothing new. Shoot if you're using Windows 10 this shouldn't alarm you. Steam also tracks your OS to segment for the results as well. Linux, Apple iOS, Windows... whichever you use will be displayed as they are compiled. I wouldn't sweat this either.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Steam data collects for the express purpose of keeping track of your hardware.

How do you think they compile the usage chart that are user accessible? They didn't get that with a wild guess. They got it by tracking every aspect of their customers hardware usage.

It's nothing new. Shoot if you're using Windows 10 this shouldn't alarm you. Steam also tracks your OS to segment for the results as well. Linux, Apple iOS, Windows... whichever you use will be displayed as they are compiled. I wouldn't sweat this either.

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You're mixing up a lot of different stuff. Steam's hardware survey is optional and this Civilization EULA has got nothing to do with the Steam one.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Steam data collects for the express purpose of keeping track of your hardware.

How do you think they compile the usage chart that are user accessible? They didn't get that with a wild guess. They got it by tracking every aspect of their customers hardware usage.

It's nothing new. Shoot if you're using Windows 10 this shouldn't alarm you. Steam also tracks your OS to segment for the results as well. Linux, Apple iOS, Windows... whichever you use will be displayed as they are compiled. I wouldn't sweat this either.

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First off mr drunk, steam doesn't connect that data to your personal information.
Secondly, they ask you if you are willing to give them information, that is not forced on you. You can not fill a survey and walla, steam knows nothing.
Thirdly, steam are collected that data anonymously, so they know what systems users use, but they don't care what specific user is using, what systems he has been on, where he lives, his personal information or the name of his dog.

Those are two huge differences.

And yes, windows 10 also collect data, but it has the option (at least that we know) to opt out. This does not. And it even says so after you bought the game, not before.

So keep on drinking. You apparently really need it.


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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
You're mixing up a lot of different stuff. Steam's hardware survey is optional and this Civilization EULA has got nothing to do with the Steam one.
Sorry, I thought that it was relegated to Steam. I don't have the game but my brother has it and got it through Steam. I will have to inform him of this post haste.

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You can not fill a survey and walla, steam knows nothing.
The way you sullied both the English and French languages, grammatically and lexically, gave me an allegorical rash.

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To be fair, the CEO of Take Two said they weren't monitising their customer base enough.
I guess Take Two wants to be the new EA.

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Take Two added this to Rockstar's EULA too. Not like I was playing GTA V anyway.

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Marin for christ sake, you telling the truth or not. As said either way it ain't funny. Whats the deal, if your lieing whats the point?
I've read quite a few of your posts/threads, seems out of character for you to bs in such a manor..
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