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So Epic games does the things outlined in the policy to make syncing Steam friends possible. I'm sure people are outraged.
They did it disregarding licensing and the SDK for Steam. That makes what they created spyware.



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They did it disregarding licensing and the SDK for Steam. That makes what they created spyware.
It makes it non compliant with Steam, not spyware. Is it bad? Yeah, that's stupid...but that's not spyware.



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If you think hardware polls, tracking and the steam folder thing are spyware just wait till you find out what every common OS does by default. Hell check out the scripts running on this very site, or the tracking your browser does.
You're pointing out splinters while there's a plank of wood in your eye. If you don't like Epic because Fortnite was a success, just say that. No biggie, people don't like things sometimes.

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No biggie, people don't like things sometimes.
This is true. Sometimes, I don't like things, either.

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Ironically, I think this would have been far less likely if they had created the launcher as a UWP application. Course that would exclude older versions of Windows, but sandboxing and a more robust permissions system seems to be increasingly needed.


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It makes it non compliant with Steam, not spyware. Is it bad? Yeah, that's stupid...but that's not spyware.
No, man. If you take data you're not supposed to it is the very definition of spyware. Talk about twisting facts until they align with your views.

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If you think hardware polls, tracking and the steam folder thing are spyware just wait till you find out what every common OS does by default.
Switch to Linux! We have cake!

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Hell check out the scripts running on this very site,
Block it all! If the site stops working just leave.

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or the tracking your browser does.
Switch to Firefox!

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You're pointing out splinters while there's a plank of wood in your eye. If you don't like Epic because Fortnite was a success, just say that. No biggie, people don't like things sometimes.
Just because you totally gave up on your privacy doesn't mean we have to so you feel better about it.

The peer pressure about this regard in these forums is insane.

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My point was never that we can't evade the larger scale of data mining, it's that literally every service does what the Epic store does to a greater extent, even games themselves. If the only argument for why Epic is "so bad" is that they have a garbage way of connecting to your Steam friends then I'd say they're doing pretty well with it all. The company even acknowledged, apologized, explained and started working on it (hopefully), if this has already been fixed you'd never know becasue that's not news worthy, that's how our outrage culture works.
If this is spyware then literally every other service is as well...except that you hit the "I agree" button.
I already have gobs of addons for firefox, I have custom made stripped W10 .ISOs, I use O&O and NordVPN on top of all that. Doesn't matter though, sure I've blocked 90% of the mining but most of it has nothing to do with "privacy" since none of the data was ever private.
Epic should not access that folder but there's nothing in it that matters or that I'd consider private.

Peer pressure doesn't apply, I don't wish for you to do anything you don't want to. It's just silly to say that one thing is spyware but another that collects far worse is a service or software.

I couldn't care less if all these people boycott games like BL3...actually it's probably a good thing. Not only do I not want to game with people that can't see the forest for the trees but the developers received about $2m for the deal IIRC which is likely far more than the profit from selling those people copies of the game, then there's the money they saved by not using Steam which is also likely more than the people boycotting the game. 5-10% is pretty substantial when you're talking millions of dollars.

FWIW ever interview I've seen with devs or publishers about Epic are all very happy about it, Epic is going to have a good game library with or without 1% of the PC gamers.

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with people that can't see the forest for the trees
oh the irony.

lets not look at the forest were epic admitted they were wrong because of the trees of other (software/privacy) wrongs.

rights comes with (great) responsibilities. the root word is RESPOND; meaning take action. people just want an excuse to be lazy -esp when there is a carrot at the end of the stick.

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though i should disclose for the sake of transparency that i have no friends, so i have no dog in this race or horse in the fight . . .

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This is like having sex. Just because I had it with my SO doesn't mean that I have to do it with every single person in the universe. You can be as depraved and one-sided as you want but it has to be consensual.

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