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post #21 of 53 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 10:36 AM
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Exclusive... I don't see an issue with that, but what I don't like is the need to install Steam, Origin, Battle.net, don't know what the Epic store is called to even be able to play a game because games nowadays are not released as a standalone copy but as "service" that goes up and down to the whim of the online store application, one has to be online, can't play offline, can't simply download and install but has to install a store that then downloads and updates the game instead of the game doing it itself. All to promote their other products and show them to you in their store to buy. No one likes this sort of bloatware and forced advertising, being limited by the application to be always online and hope the service doesn't have too much downtime. Even Steam as large as it is often goes offline and many games that are tied to it become unplayable.

Compare this to pirated stuff... 1 download file, simple install with no crappy store to deal with, always playable as it doesn't depend on the whim of online services. There is a lot corporations can learn from how to do it right by looking at what pirated software offers and why it's still so attractive to people, it's not all about not paying, there is a lot of convenience, ease of use.

All these storefronts (Steam etc.) try be like a pirated software search site, offer you stuff to download but when this service goes down so do all your games LOL and it's not a web store it's a standalone application that loves to auto launch and bloat your system. This certainly isn't the case with website search that most use to find pirated software.

Sadly long gone are the days when developers would release a game themselves and not be tied to some kind of required standalone application store that handles distribution for them for close to no cost compared to the old making of DVD/BD.

Exclusives... do away with the stupid store apps and almost no one will care that the game is tied to some "publisher/store".
Even worse is that they change the store where people can buy a game last minute and make it exclusive to a store almost no one cares about. There literally are 2nd hand requests to buy a Steam Metro Exodus because of it, it wasn't removed and some people have a copy on Steam instead of Epic, what an epic mess.

The corporate online software store wars are affecting customers, so no wonder customers are pissed off.


Personally I don't care if it's on one store or another, at best it should be on none and be on developer's site as a 1 file download of the application and the application itself would handle it's updating as many applications do that aren't games tied to a store app.
Why do we need 100 online stores for games? We don't. The middleman that resell games do, be it Steam, Origin or some other corp.

Some people will argue oh no I need my friends list overlay in game, I need FPS counter overlay from Steam, Origin, ... yeah as if those overlays even worked right, it's hack and always will be, making applications unstable when other application is hooking, overwriting and injecting stuff into it. First thing when troubleshooting issues with games, always is: turn off all overlays from stores, 3rd party FPS counters, video recorders, anything that hooks, changes, injects stuff into the game in any way. Some games don't even work with their own stores overlay at all.


If they made Metro exclusive to Epic from the start or at least not change it last minute causing the game to be on 2 stores... yeah exclusive now has a new meaning? Customers wouldn't be flipping out.
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Well, there are other ways to compete.

Epic could try to differentiate it self from steam by offering new and or better services on the platform.
They could also take a cut similar or closer to Valve's 30% and pass the 'savings' onto the consumer by lowering prices.
They could try to offer better support/customer service - does Epic even have an answer to the refund system on Steam?
They could develop great games in house and make them exclusive to the platform.

I dont buy it.
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Quote: Originally Posted by appylol View Post
Well, there are other ways to compete.

Epic could try to differentiate it self from steam by offering new and or better services on the platform.
They could try to offer better support/customer service - does Epic even have an answer to the refund system on Steam?
They could develop great games in house and make them exclusive to the platform.
Even if they develop better features, no gamer would bother switching. After all, if I already have steam and my friends are on steam, what incentive would I have to bother with a new platform? It's more convenient to just stay on steam. Exclusive games are pretty much the only way to get a gamer to download a new launcher.

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They could also take a cut similar or closer to Valve's 30% and pass the 'savings' onto the consumer by lowering prices.
Epic increasing their cut to 30% would result in games having higher prices not lower, because the game developer would have to increase prices in order to make equivalent revenue. You see the cut that the epic/steam take is largely arbitrary, it costs them pennies to host a game. Steam could charge a 2% cut and still turn a considerable profit. However for game developers that are struggling to make a living developing a game, the percentage cut is everything. This is why Epic's lower 12% cut is so appealing to developers.

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They could develop great games in house and make them exclusive to the platform.
They already have, it's called Fortnite. (and Paragon before that)
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Exclusives aren't great but they aren't that big of a deal. We seem to cope with these things just fine with a lot of the other products we buy, not sure why it's such a problem with games.

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Exclusives aren't great but they aren't that big of a deal. We seem to cope with these things just fine with a lot of the other products we buy, not sure why it's such a problem with games.
I don't see it as a problem. I'm just here for the debate.

The market will eventually decide if it's a good investment or not. And that will rest completely on how good the games are or how bad people want to play them.

I'll sit this one out, so count 1 for team "Epic can suck it".

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Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
I don't see it as a problem. I'm just here for the debate.

The market will eventually decide if it's a good investment or not. And that will rest completely on how good the games are or how bad people want to play them.

I'll sit this one out, so count 1 for team "Epic can suck it".
im with you on this, i have games on steam/origin/ubisuck but i havnt messed with origin in forever, havnt even done an install on this rig. they ruined BF for me, and anthem has be somewhat harshly received. but i do have them on my boycott list until i get UFC on PC. which may never happen.

everything i have on ubisuck launches from steam so it makes almost zero sense to me, and just agitates me that i dont get any steam achievments from some of their titles(AC1, who cares about the desmond's story, its an aspect that couldve never made it in the series and i doubt it wouldve made a difference. just let me climb and assassinate).

as per epic idk if they have anything im really missing out on(maybe unreal tournament)... but ill also cast a vote for "i hope epic store crashes and burns."

i do like steam, but get over the idea that its perfect. its not, simple as that. the video player for store pages is awful, and it always has been whether PC or Mobile, absolute garbage. and most of us already know about the loose leash they keep on developers with "early access" titles. or pages that get put up and end up in recommendations that have been abandoned(dead island 2, hellaid)

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30% is too high and its not like Valve put their games on other platforms. Just more anti anything steam nonsense. Competition is good for consumers.
Valve is the only distribution platform actively trying to include Linux as an option.
Epic on the other hand is doing everything in their power to exclude Linux (this includes WINE)
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Fortnight and its mass pleb/bubble head appeal allowed this anti-competitive/anti-consumer mess to happen.
yep, games like fortnite come once in a generation.

The last FortNite was WoW.

What do I mean?

PC games that pull the console scrubs into the realm of real gaming, then sully it with their stupidity, by the millions. This ends up affecting every game we play, whether folks realize it or not

See any slightly entertaining game during the original WoW fallout when their first wave of millions started going off to college, thus burning out, or not having enough time to play, thus move onto other games.

uhg, I remember the day they showed up in OG DayZ.
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Origin is pretty much only EA stuff that is exclusive. There's plenty of games that are not owned by Valve/Steam that are exclusive to it though (barring console versions, but those don't really count in this discussion since Epic store exclusives have console releases as well).

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Friday the 13th

I could keep going too, cause it's actually a fairly long list.

And nothing is stopping those developers/publishers from releasing their games elsewhere, unlike with Epic Store where the exclusives are contractual.

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