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post #11 of 79 (permalink) Old 05-14-2019, 12:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by doritos93 View Post
We don't need laws for games, we need better parents

When will a senator propose a bill for that?
We do when games start to be designed around lootboxes.
Look what a disaster BF2 and Shadows of War became when the lootboxes were ripped out, they had to be resigned completely.

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Instead of new legislation why not just try these companies under the existing regulations already in place for this sort of thing?
same reason why the constitution has amendments. i know its a large generalization but "all things internet" reminds me of the wild west during the gold rush and the lawlessness. before a regulatory agency can do anything, a law (legislation) much be passed to give them that specific authority in the language.

w/o that, the first thing to happen is the defendant(s) challenges the authority and that will take years to sort out.

but really i'm just some shmuck w/a keyboard.

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Instead of new legislation why not just try these companies under the existing regulations already in place for this sort of thing?
I like that one even better. Most of us here aren't lawyers.

HOWEVER - once again - I want loot boxes gone entirely, not just virtually restricted to "those 18 years of age and older" YES, that includes Boarderlands style loot boxes too

depending on your age, you've been at least 18 on the internet for as long as that stupid "i'm 18" stuff has existed.

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GOP senator announces bill to ban 'manipulative' video game design
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Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) on Wednesday announced that he will introduce legislation banning "manipulative" online game features he says can push children to become addicted to technology.

Hawley's Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act would prohibit games geared toward children from implementing features that prompt users to pay real-world money to advance in the game, called "pay-to-win," or receive rewards at random for a fee, called "loot boxes."

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) would be tasked with enforcing the ban, and state attorneys general would also be empowered to file lawsuits against companies who violated the rules.


The bill would specifically target games geared towards children, as determined by their "subject matter, visual content, and other indicators."

The senator is expected to introduce the bill sometime in the next few days.

The Entertainment Software Association on Wednesday put out a statement rejecting Hawley's proposal. The acting president and CEO of the video game industry trade group, Stanley Pierre-Louis, pointed out that “numerous countries, including Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom, determined that loot boxes do not constitute gambling."

As it stands, COPPA requires tech companies to obtain parental consent in order to collect data on children under 13. The bill introduced by Markey and Hawley would extend protections for those between 13 and 15.

Children's data privacy has offered some opportunities for bipartisan agreement as lawmakers in both chambers seek to hammer out the nation's first comprehensive privacy law.

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So, a design that is near universally despised by enthusiasts yet ridiculously exploitative of everyone else gets a ban proposal, and the enthusiasts respond by "WE DON'T NEED NO LAWS FOR IT!"

You sure about that?
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So, a design that is near universally despised by enthusiasts yet ridiculously exploitative of everyone else gets a ban proposal, and the enthusiasts respond by "WE DON'T NEED NO LAWS FOR IT!"

You sure about that?
To be fair, I fully understand the argument that this opens the door for the government to meddle even further in games.

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To be fair, I fully understand the argument that this opens the door for the government to meddle even further in games.
Opens what door? The barn one, that's been open for decades? About not only games, but other popular entertainment?
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same reason why the constitution has amendments. i know its a large generalization but "all things internet" reminds me of the wild west during the gold rush and the lawlessness. before a regulatory agency can do anything, a law (legislation) much be passed to give them that specific authority in the language.

w/o that, the first thing to happen is the defendant(s) challenges the authority and that will take years to sort out.

but really i'm just some shmuck w/a keyboard.

But there already is specifically worded legislation in place. Slot machines are every bit as much of a game as Battlefield is and they are governed by pre-existing legislation, so I don't see why more is needed.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post
So, a design that is near universally despised by enthusiasts yet ridiculously exploitative of everyone else gets a ban proposal, and the enthusiasts respond by "WE DON'T NEED NO LAWS FOR IT!"

You sure about that?
Just because I despise something doesn't mean that I think the government needs to step in and outlaw it. Lots of people hate violence and nudity in games. If it's ok for lootboxes to be banned because I hate those, it's ok for violence and nudity to get banned because someone else hates that.

Whenever the govt gets involved, there is always a very real chance the baby gets thrown out with the bath water...



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But there already is specifically worded legislation in place. Slot machines are every bit as much of a game as Battlefield is and they are governed by pre-existing legislation, so I don't see why more is needed.

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well then please quote the law and emphasis the specific language to show this legislation is redundant. that would be great.

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well then please quote the law and emphasis the specific language to show this legislation is redundant. that would be great.
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement act of 2006:

"prohibits gambling businesses from knowingly accepting payments in connection with the participation of another person in a bet or wager that involves the use of the Internet and that is unlawful under any federal or state law."


Edit: Now, your first response is likely to be "But what about draftkings.com?" Well, it just so happens that fantasy sports betting is specifically mentioned as being omitted from this legislation. Which basically means that whoever started the fantasy sports betting trend was good buddies with a senator or payed a ton in bribes to get that stipulation added specifically.

Given how much bank EA has, you can bet your bottom dollar (such wit!) that any new regulations will have specific provisions added after a few greased palms, so not only would this legislation open the door to taking away things we don't want yanked, it would likely not even fix the loot box problem thanks to some re-election contributions.



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