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Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement act of 2006:

"prohibits gambling businesses from knowingly accepting payments in connection with the participation of another person in a bet or wager that involves the use of the Internet and that is unlawful under any federal or state law."
so all games/dev/publishers are gambling businesses?

um NO.

besides that it says nothing of furthering protections for minors; which is the crux of this bill. btw, if you are trying to form an educated opinion by whats posted in the tech press, good luck, they all report this is 18 and under while all this does is raise the age from 12 to 15 of COPPA.
https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/me...19%20FINAL.pdf
To amend the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 to strengthen protections relating to the online collection, use, and disclosure of per-sonal information of children and minors, and for other purposes.
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(19) MINOR.—The term ‘minor’ means an individual over the age of 12 and under the age of 16.
tip: this is not a new law but amending whats already 20 years old.

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just saw your edit and no, don't care about the online betting, and it seems you are walking down the wrong alley.

really go read all that gibberish, it has not nearly as much to do w/lootboxes as the gaming press would like you to believe.

Remember the golden rule of statistics: A personal sample size of one is a sufficient basis upon which to draw universal conclusions.
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so all games/dev/publishers are gambling businesses?

um NO.

besides that it says nothing of furthering protections for minors; which is the crux of this bill. btw, if you are trying to form an educated opinion by whats posted in the tech press, good luck, they all report this is 18 and under while all this does is raise the age from 12 to 15 of COPPA.
https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/me...19%20FINAL.pdf



tip: this is not a new law but amending whats already 20 years old.

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just saw your edit and no, don't care about the online betting, and it seems you are walking down the wrong alley.

really go read all that gibberish, it has not nearly as much to do w/lootboxes as the gaming press would like you to believe.
that's the crux of the argument right there. I submit that randomized lootbox purchases that improve your chances of victory are absolutely gambling businesses.


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that's the crux of the argument right there. I submit that randomized lootbox purchases that improve your chances of victory are absolutely gambling businesses.
you can submit that but there is a vast disagreement.

i submit that the very existence of randomized loot boxes shows that the law has failed.

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you can submit that but there is a vast disagreement.

i submit that the very existence of randomized loot boxes shows that the law has failed.
Ya know what, you are absolutely correct. I suppose I am more echoing what I want to be the case rather than what is the case.

Still hate loot boxes, but hate the possibility of the slippery slope of allowing the govt to legislate media content beyond their currently established framework even more.


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Ya know what, you are absolutely correct. I suppose I am more echoing what I want to be the case rather than what is the case.

Still hate loot boxes, but hate the possibility of the slippery slope of allowing the govt to legislate media content beyond their currently established framework even more.
i appreciate that, thank you.

i looked a little more at the bill - link in previous post - and i'll be darned if i see anything about gaming. lots of stuff on privacy - further defining and extending it to minors but not a word about gaming. its like the press is being intentionally misdirected

i wonder where my tin foil hat went to?

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So, a design that is near universally despised by enthusiasts yet ridiculously exploitative of everyone else gets a ban proposal, and the enthusiasts respond by "WE DON'T NEED NO LAWS FOR IT!"

You sure about that?
Yup, some people don't need to be baby sat every 2 minutes.

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Yup, some people don't need to be baby sat every 2 minutes.

If you're gonna hand your kid a console and games worth a couple hundred bucks, it should come with supervision, guidance, and lessons of common sense. No one wants government to raise kids

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Common sense, I would hope, precludes skinning cats, but I'm not going to judge your lifestyle!

On the topic of the thread, I think lootboxes are virtually universally hated by players, and they're "predatory" in design (the extent of which being the differentiating factor from what constitutes "healthy" practices by a profit-driven entity, but that's a discussion for another time), so I don't think anyone would be too sad about the prospect of never having to deal with them.

However, the frequently parroted "but the kids and the credit cards!" argument FOR the removal of this kind of business model is a really poor excuse to open the Pandora's Box of government regulation in the context of an art form that's always been self-regulatory for the most part.

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The bill: Not a great Bill.

The notion: Absolutely. Refine the bill and pass it.


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Treat all pay to win boxes like gambling subject to all applicable gambling laws both local and federal included complete transparency on the odds. IMO that'd be great.

I'd be ok with lower restrictions on purely cosmetic boxes but I'd like to at least get transparent odds on them as well.

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i appreciate that, thank you.

i looked a little more at the bill - link in previous post - and i'll be darned if i see anything about gaming. lots of stuff on privacy - further defining and extending it to minors but not a word about gaming. its like the press is being intentionally misdirected

i wonder where my tin foil hat went to?
Did the actual bill itself get put out yet or is it still the cliff notes, rough draft?


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