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post #11 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-09-2019, 10:20 AM
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I guess there isn't much harm in having a ineffectual solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but why waste the time?
Hey, transparency is great, regardless of whether or not you think loot boxes are a problem.

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Transparency is great, but it won't do anything in regards to addiction to loot boxes. The only effective solution is to get rid of loot boxes, any other solution is nonsense to appease the people who feel like something needs to be done. The upside is that it's an easy way to shut people up without doing any harm to the games directly (with changes to the game itself), or indirectly, by disrupting the revenue stream (since transparency is an irrelevant factor in the purchase of loot boxes). It's a win win.

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Wish loot boxes would be abolished entirely, and all other cancerous aspects of new-age games (DLC's, day one DLC content, season passes etc etc).

Just make quality games, and let them sell on their own merits.

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Well I'm glad you're not the one that gets to make that decision. I happen to like DLC and season passes make it easier for me to just pay once.

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Hey, transparency is great, regardless of whether or not you think loot boxes are a problem.
this isn't transparency though, its a promise of disclosure
from an article from the same source (of the report not news item)
Consumer advocates to ESRB, FTC: Loot box odds disclosure is not enough
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"Nobody in the gambling issue would ever trust a slot machine manufacturer to self-certify that their machines and the odds and randomness of their machines perform as they say. We use independent testing labs to verify that the odds are as stated. And they often find machines that don't perform adequately. It's an important consumer protection feature. So if the industry is going to provide us information on odds and randomness, take a lesson from the gambling side. You've got to get it done independently. It's not going to be effective if you're just saying, 'Trust us, these items drop at this rate.'"
trusting devs/publishers to actually follow through, after so many times of seeing teaser trailer/videos w/stunning graphics and phenomenal game play to only end up buying some crappy console port is being very optimistic, to put it politely.

transparency would involve have a third party involved to verify the stated odds are correct.

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Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
this isn't transparency though, its a promise of disclosure
from an article from the same source (of the report not news item)
Consumer advocates to ESRB, FTC: Loot box odds disclosure is not enough

trusting devs/publishers to actually follow through, after so many times of seeing teaser trailer/videos w/stunning graphics and phenomenal game play to only end up buying some crappy console port is being very optimistic, to put it politely.

transparency would involve have a third party involved to verify the stated odds are correct.
You're right. Surely, 3rd party, independent control would be the next logical step.

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Back when I was a young fella, I had to do a long epic quest series which ended in a huge boss fight to get them bad ass looking loots.
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Back when I was a young fella, I had to do a long epic quest series which ended in a huge boss fight to get them bad ass looking loots.
Get off my lawn!
pff, in my day kids showed up late to raid, get kicked out, but still beat us to relics, cuz mommy's CC

not my story, but there are many like it. I stayed in FF11 for as long as I could, then spent a year or two in a rift raid progression guild until MMOs essentially went full on belly up.

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You're right. Surely, 3rd party, independent control would be the next logical step.
yes it most certainly would be. but is it enough?

the same site has several articles and viewpoints about the issue:

Loot boxes a matter of "life or death," says researcher
Academics discuss their studies and concerns surrounding game monetization at FTC workshop

What did the FTC hear in its loot box workshop?
ESA defends virtual currency and dynamic drop rates as concerns are raised about consumer protection and similarities to gambling

Consumer advocates to ESRB, FTC: Loot box odds disclosure is not enough
Consumer Reports' Anna Laitin: "A kid is not going to make a better decision with odds disclosure"

Epic Games commits to loot box transparency across portfolio
THQ Nordic also weighs in on ESA pledges: "We do not plan to implement casino-styled mechanics in our games"

though idk, i have no horse in this race as far as loot boxes since i don't play those games.

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Die loot box, die! - If only...
Looks like the industry is trying to self regulate before others step in and limit their profits.
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