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Sorry I was looking for the part where you contributed to the topic in a meaningful way and we got a 404 error.
Says someone who talks about boycotting products made in china while he sips from the milk that comes in a tetra pack. Cool

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I'm not going to educate you. We answered all the questions on a public broadcast show in the 70s, maybe you heard of it..


It's called Star trek.

Bring me more stupid questions about China so we can end this suffering for us all.

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Just fyi, when I op this topic I didn't fully appreciate how weird a lot of you really are. I appreciate the sincere thoughts here but I too get can get caught up on the drama and in encourage you all to take a sure back and wonder about taking to a close family person or friend.

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Can you explain why free thought has something to do with economic power? I mean, if china does not have free of thought, yet they are currently the second biggest economic entity (and gunning for the being the first soon enough), how does that correlate?

Also I'm not sure china want or consider themselves a nation of innovation in the way other countries think of themselves.
China have pushed their economy and tripled it in the last 15 years thanks to the western world giving them all that power. And they utilized it so well, that they are undeniably one of the pushing force of the economy.

So while they have no free thought or lack of innovation, they did very well for themselves lately.

My point is, that you conclusion is incorrect.
While china might seem less innovative in terms of tech, they have other means to utilize that can push them further on. They have less setbacks in the name of progress compared to the western world.
China really only has the position it has because other countries use them for manufacturing and cheap goods. The problem with China's economy is that it completely relies on third parties. It relies on them for tech, ideas, and demand. I'm only truly familiar with the United States so I will keep my talk there, but the US could be self sufficient. A break from china would hurt, and hurt a lot in the short-med but it could survive on its own from food, to ideas, to military, to fuel. China can't do that right now, the vast majority of its population still lives in poverty.

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A break from china would hurt, and hurt a lot in the short-med but it could survive on its own from food, to ideas, to military, to fuel. China can't do that right now, the vast majority of its population still lives in poverty.
The truth is the US actually are self-sufficient (especially now that they export energy and need none from foreign countries). It's mostly a matter of wanting to exercise that ability. The only problem is the amount of upset there would be in a lot of markets if products stopped being produced cheaply.

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The truth is the US actually are self-sufficient (especially now that they export energy and need none from foreign countries). It's mostly a matter of wanting to exercise that ability. The only problem is the amount of upset there would be in a lot of markets if products stopped being produced cheaply.


The number are less important that the point China misses as a whole. If number are brought up, we win unquestionably so it's not even a conversation. I don't disagree with anything you said but I guess we are the more reasonable ppl left on this thread so let's try to end it with something other than numbers. Give them something to think on.

And before anyone call me a Chinese spy, I'm just tired of seeing this thread with no new points mentioned day after day.

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The number are less important that the point China misses as a whole. If number are brought up, we win unquestionably so it's not even a conversation. I don't disagree with anything you said but I guess we are the more reasonable ppl left on this thread so let's try to end it with something other than numbers. Give them something to think on.

And before anyone call me a Chinese spy, I'm just tired of seeing this thread with no new points mentioned day after day.
Most people just react with things they hear on tv or their emotions, and won't look into things themselves. I can't tell you how many times people tell me china is the single largest holder of us debt which is of course factually incorrect. I got attacked earlier in this thread for pointing out that america has the most free speech protections, you can't really argue with people that ignore facts.

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China really only has the position it has because other countries use them for manufacturing and cheap goods. The problem with China's economy is that it completely relies on third parties. It relies on them for tech, ideas, and demand. I'm only truly familiar with the United States so I will keep my talk there, but the US could be self sufficient. A break from china would hurt, and hurt a lot in the short-med but it could survive on its own from food, to ideas, to military, to fuel. China can't do that right now, the vast majority of its population still lives in poverty.
While china (for now) relies on third parties, those third parties also relay on china.

The US can't be self sufficient. We have seen that it isn't. Trump tried to pull that off, and the US is fighting him over it. Obama before him made it worse by making things more globalized.
There is very little manufacturing inside the US as it cost too much. If you move back all manufacturing into the US, prices will rise up to the point that the US will just enter a recession.
Breaking from china will take at least a good portion of a decade, until manufacturing not move from china to the US, but from china to india or vietnam. US will still relay on cheap countries.

Now until that maybe happen, china will grow big enough to start and create their own generation of engineers, developers, etc (and of course keep trying to steal tech), that it will be able to fight it.
Also remember that china right now has ALOT of money. And they are using that money to have portions of US companies, factories, even basketball teams (and it is not limited to the US of course). So just cutting ties from china, seems almost impossible in the foreseeable future, unless US is willing to take such a massive hit to its economy (which I doubt very very much).

You still need to remember the internal political struggle in the US. You have one side that wants more inside the US, and one that wants complete globalization. And their current fight with one another is massive.


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America is flipping huge. I implore you to go on a cross country road trip if you don't believe me.

stop oogling the Electoral College map, and see how much of the nation is still left un-touched. It would suck, but we'd be fine with a severing from Cheap chinese production. imagine the horrors of no new iphones for a season or two. I'm sure the cities would burn themselves to the ground over something so silly.

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While china (for now) relies on third parties, those third parties also relay on china.

The US can't be self sufficient. We have seen that it isn't. Trump tried to pull that off, and the US is fighting him over it. Obama before him made it worse by making things more globalized.
There is very little manufacturing inside the US as it cost too much. If you move back all manufacturing into the US, prices will rise up to the point that the US will just enter a recession.
Breaking from china will take at least a good portion of a decade, until manufacturing not move from china to the US, but from china to india or vietnam. US will still relay on cheap countries.

Now until that maybe happen, china will grow big enough to start and create their own generation of engineers, developers, etc (and of course keep trying to steal tech), that it will be able to fight it.
Also remember that china right now has ALOT of money. And they are using that money to have portions of US companies, factories, even basketball teams (and it is not limited to the US of course). So just cutting ties from china, seems almost impossible in the foreseeable future, unless US is willing to take such a massive hit to its economy (which I doubt very very much).

You still need to remember the internal political struggle in the US. You have one side that wants more inside the US, and one that wants complete globalization. And their current fight with one another is massive.
When you say the U.S. relies on China for cheap goods, what you are really saying is the wealthy shareholders of major corporations rely on China to maximize profits. If anything it would help reduce the wealth disparity in the U.S., but the top 00.1% don't want that, and unfortunately, they hold the vast majority of the political power here.

The prices for stuff are at their maximum price point already regardless of where it is produced. Producing goods in the U.S. requires spreading the profits among the employees more than it does to produce those goods in China, thus not maximum profit for those at the top.



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