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I game a fair bit and I've been fond of flight sims for thirty-odd years. If MS flight simulator 2020 was DRM free, or at least available through a distribution channel I found less offensive, I'd probably be building a five-thousand dollar sim pit for it right now.

However, I will not use Steam, Origin, Uplay, Epic Games Store, Microsoft Store, or the like. Indeed, at this point, if it's not an online-only game, I won't use it if requires an internet connection. I won't make a Microsoft Account either. Even if I was willing to, I'm not going to replace Windows Server with Windows 10 on the system I'd likely be playing.

Ultimately I can do without FS2020 much more readily than I can do without my principles. I drew a line in the sand well over a decade ago, and I'm not going to cross it for a game.
So, for you, it's all about having DRM measures?

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So, for you, it's all about having DRM measures?
The whole distribution model that removes player control over their applications bugs me. I can tolerate it as a necessary part of online-only experiences, or games that don where one is essentially paying for a service, but for offline games, or games that are only online for arbitrary/token reasons, DRM, lack of portability, inability to run servers, inability to mod, or being tied to privacy compromising accounts are usually deal breakers for me.

I'm about an inch away from giving up on Windows itself, given what Windows 10 has become. At least it doesn't need to be connected to work, yet.

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I'm about an inch away from giving up on Windows itself, given what Windows 10 has become. At least it doesn't need to be connected to work, yet.
Are you aware of our savior Windows 10 LTSC?

It's by far my new favorite Windows variant since win 7 was released. Lots and lots of deep system wide changes over the standard win10 home/win 10 pro version that make it exceptionally good. And no advertisements are ever pushed on you with LTSC. No default bloatware, and no Microsoft Store is installed at any point. No Cortana process is ever present from the get-go.

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Are you aware of our savior Windows 10 LTSC?

It's by far my new favorite Windows variant since win 7 was released. Lots and lots of deep system wide changes over the standard win10 home/win 10 pro version that make it exceptionally good. And no advertisements are ever pushed on you with LTSC. No default bloatware, and no Microsoft Store is installed at any point. No Cortana process is ever present from the get-go.
I am aware of it, but since I can get Server licences more easily and it's essentially the same thing as Windows 10 LTSC, I use those.

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The whole distribution model that removes player control over their applications bugs me. I can tolerate it as a necessary part of online-only experiences, or games that don where one is essentially paying for a service, but for offline games, or games that are only online for arbitrary/token reasons, DRM, lack of portability, inability to run servers, inability to mod, or being tied to privacy compromising accounts are usually deal breakers for me.

I'm about an inch away from giving up on Windows itself, given what Windows 10 has become. At least it doesn't need to be connected to work, yet.
I see. I see where you're coming from, but I can tell you that you have much more will power than most (including me).

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I see. I see where you're coming from, but I can tell you that you have much more will power than most (including me).
Probably more a matter of being stubborn and angry than anything else.

If I had grown up with this nonsense I'd almost certainly find it easier to swallow.

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I expect it'll turn out, like all previous MS FS, that you don't actually want to be below the "ideal" spec, and it doesn't run exceptionally well until a couple years after release, when hardware has moved on a couple generations. We'll have to wait and see.



It's not based on my opinion, I've got FSX, and some old FS on the shelf, some DCS, IL-2, various others stretching back 20 years along with an X52 with throttle, probably more time/experience than most. It's based on the general popularity of pure flight sims. I've been in various clans and groups for plenty long enough and not too many want to play a pure flight sim.

It's a small niche that not many enjoy dragged into the public gaze by nothing more than looks alone. The majority that buy it will put it into "arcade" mode, missing more than 80% of what the simulation offers, fly about looking at the nice weather, be bored very quickly and go back to their "normal" AAA games. And that'll be hailed as a huge success, to me they'll of wasted their money
Try doing a side by side comparison of MSFS2020 vs. Any previous flight sim.
Visually accurate map data is a game changer.
Many people are willing to spend thousands of dollars for a few hours on a helicopter, this brings the average person much much closer to that experience than ever before. Because the graphics are so good the value equation is starting to shift.

I love role playing with machines so I know I'll love the simulator part, but my primary motivation is still virtual tourism.

If the collision modelling is made accurate enough stunt flying will take on a whole new life this time around.

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We can hope, but it's only two years after a console launch that they're last gen, and two after that everyone is sick to death of the stagnated PC gaming market again. ...
Not only were the 2013 consoles the outlier in how bad that generation of hardware was, advancements in single thread performance today are few and far between.
With Xbox hitting 3.8Ghz it's going to be many years, decades even, before any PC will be capable of doubling framerates over what that console is going to do.
In CPU limited games we will effectively be running performance parity between consoles and PC for the next 2-3 years.

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why would you have to downgrade from Server to consumer? that doesn't makes sense.

all the other principal stuff, sure. have at it... or rather, don't have at it.

i'm personally interested to see how an online-only flight sim will pan out. hopefully we'll get some jet fighters so we can reenact Just Another Day In Europe simulations.

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I am aware of it, but since I can get Server licences more easily and it's essentially the same thing as Windows 10 LTSC, I use those.
It's very intersting what MS is doing now with Gears 5 for example. Not only do you download the game but you also download something called Gaming Service.
No one has a lot of information on it but it acts like a Guardian of sorts. If you have a slow CPU you will notice a lot more blue circling next to your cursor with it installed as it randomly does "stuffs" in the background. using Process Hacker, Explorer shows as much.





Those are the processes that are added to the Task Manger but hides the active I/O activity. Use Resource Monitor for that.





Here is another interesting caveat. Gaming Service is available from MS Store. But it's only accessible if it's mandated that you need it for certain games. I've not been able to find it using regular search. So, if you delete it and still want to play Gears 5 you may have to uninstall Gear 5 and reinstall it just to get Gaming Service as it's hidden.








Here is Xvd which seems to mount and unmount drives, not drivers, drives at will as shown in Device Manager. Granted this will all be changed by the time next gen consoles come out. But as it stands now I would have paid more to play this on Steam had I known the above additions to win10.

In hindsight, this topic alone might deserve it's own thread. Because no other Game Launcher from Battle.net, Origin, Epic, Steam, etc is this intrusive.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure this directive is also for FS2020.

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