[TechSpot] Valve's Proton project has brought 6,500 Windows games to Linux so far - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community
Forum Jump: 

[TechSpot] Valve's Proton project has brought 6,500 Windows games to Linux so far

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 12:34 AM - Thread Starter
sudo apt install sl
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,499
Rep: 188 (Unique: 130)
[TechSpot] Valve's Proton project has brought 6,500 Windows games to Linux so far

Source: https://www.techspot.com/news/84909-...mes-linux.html

Quote:
The move was hardly revolutionary, as it was essentially a forked (modified) version of Wine with some additional patchwork and libraries - most notably DirectX over Vulkan (DXVK), which is a translation layer for DirectX 9/10/11 games. But if you go by ProtonDB, there are now over 6,500 Windows games that now work on Linux with little to no effort on the gamer's part.


There are hundreds of games that are added every month that get a Platinum rating, which indicates that most people who have run them have encountered few or no game-breaking issues while playing. And chances are that you're not afraid of adding a launcher flag, meaning you can play games like DOOM and DOOM: Eternal just fine using Proton with very little effort.

More than 12,800 games have been tested so far, so many titles do require a bit more effort, but there's a positive trend for games in the Platinum category, which work outside the box. Performance is a bit slower than you'd get on Windows, but it's more than acceptable even for people who are still rocking low end graphics cards. There are even reports that games like HITMAN 2 run faster on Linux through Proton than they do on Windows.

Silent
(20 items)
CPU
Core i9 9900K... CoffeeTime! @ 5.1Ghz w/ 1.36v
Motherboard
Maximus VIII Formula
GPU
Titan RTX @ 2100Mhz/2075Mhz
RAM
TeamGroup Xtreem 32GB 3200Mhz CL15
Hard Drive
HP EX950 2TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNova 1200w P2
Cooling
EK Supremacy Full Copper Clean
Cooling
XSPC D5 Photon v2
Cooling
Black Ice Gen 2 GTX360 x2
Cooling
EK-Vector Radeon VII - Copper + Plexi
Case
Thermaltake Core X5 Tempered Glass Edition
Operating System
Clear Linux
Monitor
Acer XF270HUA
Keyboard
Cherry MX Board 6.0
Mouse
Logitech G600
Mouse
Alugraphics GamerArt
Audio
Definitive Technology Incline
Audio
SMSL M8A
▲ hide details ▲
WannaBeOCer is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 05:48 AM
BOINC Cruncher
 
Diffident's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Bawlmer, MD
Posts: 1,729
Rep: 108 (Unique: 71)
When they wrote this article it was before Bethesda added Denuvo Anti-Cheat to DOOM: Eternal. Now even in single player it doesn't work since it uses ring-0 kernel level anti-cheat....it's pretty stupid since it's mostly a single player game.

Team Boinc! - Forum Folding War Team
Gentoo Linux - Telemetry Free Since 1999!
Washington Capitals 2018 Stanley Cup Champions
Boinc Desktop
(15 items)
CrunchAholic
(10 items)
NAS
(7 items)
CPU
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
Motherboard
ASRock X370 Taichi
GPU
AMD Radeon VII
RAM
HyperX Predator
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 EVOPlus
Power Supply
EVGA 850 G2
Cooling
Watercool Heatkiller IV PRO AM4 CPU Block
Cooling
EKWB Coolstream XE 240 Radiator
Cooling
EKWB Coolstream PE 360 Radiator
Cooling
Watercool Heatkiller 150mm Tube Res
Case
Thermaltake View 31 Tempered Glass RGB Edition
Operating System
Gentoo Linux
Monitor
Alienware AW3418DW
Keyboard
Coolermaster Masterkeys Pro S
Mouse
Roccat Kone EMP
CPU
Intel Xeon E5-2670
CPU
Intel Xeon E5-2670
Motherboard
Asrock Rack EP2C602
GPU
EVGA 1070ti FTW
GPU
EVGA 1070ti FTW
RAM
64 GBs Samsung M939B1K70CHD-CH9 PC3-10600R
Hard Drive
Samsung HD322HJ
Power Supply
Corsair AX1200
Case
Rosewill RSV-L4000
Operating System
Gentoo Linux
CPU
i3-4130T
Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-H97N-WIFI
RAM
CORSAIR CMX16GX3M2A1600C11
Hard Drive
Western Digital Red 10 TB x3
Hard Drive
Western Digital Red 8 TB
Case
Fractal Design Node 804
Operating System
Gentoo Linux
▲ hide details ▲


Diffident is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 08:11 AM
Food Editor
 
skupples's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bradentucky
Posts: 24,511
Rep: 719 (Unique: 378)
Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
When they wrote this article it was before Bethesda added Denuvo Anti-Cheat to DOOM: Eternal. Now even in single player it doesn't work since it uses ring-0 kernel level anti-cheat....it's pretty stupid since it's mostly a single player game.
wait... that was part of update 1?

shady bastards. doing the "just put it in after, so they rage less" bull****.

Add me on Steam, same name
R.I.P. Zawarudo, may you OC angels' wings in heaven.
If something appears too good to be true, it probably is.
Best R0ach Quote of all time : TLDR: Haswell might be the last legit gaming platform unless mice get their own non-USB interface on some newer architecture.
skupples is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 10:59 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
ILoveHighDPI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,490
Rep: 136 (Unique: 87)
Crap, I was just thinking I would load it on Linux to keep playing.

I guess I'll stick with the launch day edition.
ILoveHighDPI is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 11:25 AM
ٴٴٴ╲⎝⧹˙͜>˙⧸⎠╱
 
TK421's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,770
Rep: 164 (Unique: 128)
Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
Crap, I was just thinking I would load it on Linux to keep playing.

I guess I'll stick with the launch day edition.

denuvo-free exe exist


not piracy since beth gave it out tho

nͫٴiͤٴcͫٴeͤ੮Һ૯ ცɿ૭ ૭คעٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴ ٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴ ٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴ ٴٴ
█▀█ █▄█ ▀█▀ ▀█▀
PC 1
(6 items)
CPU
Ryzen 9 3950X 1900FCLK
Motherboard
Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi
RAM
B-die 2x16 3800MHz F4-3600C16D-32GTZN
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB
Power Supply
EVGA 750G2
Cooling
Swiftech H360X3
▲ hide details ▲


TK421 is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 12:08 PM
Overclocker
 
JackCY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 10,820
Rep: 358 (Unique: 255)
From the games I would play:

Not supported, broken, a lot of effort to even get to work a little. And that's provided you forget about external tools that this games essentially is required to use to even be usable as the stock launcher is poor and an external one 3rd party is used by majority of people. A lot of "silver" doesn't work, doesn't work, need to compile this, need to compile that yourself, typical Linux hackery. And it has major issues with ingame UI which the game runs as python apps.

A different game then, native support but when you click on it it suddenly says platinum and there are reported issues again, so well don't need this Wine clone if one can download the native version and spare oneself the hassle of wrappers.
Other two games, again native and then when opened platinum and the other silver.

Native, gold, platinum, native, native, native, ...

Depends what one plays, indie games often launch on multiple platforms easily and with native for Linux sooner or later, often it's ported by some company or the devs later if game is successful.

Big budget games... nah, forget it, no native, console and PC at best with passable performance and endless obstructions to be able to wrap and port it to Linux.

It's not even the games that are big a problem of Linux's usability, it's the broken distro community, too many options but only few are actually usable, endless hardware problems depending on hardware platform, lack of support for latest hardware features, adaptive sync took ages if it works now, HDR? as far as I know nope, and most importantly missing programs with poor open source equivalents. It's fine for normies and linux geeks who want to spend lives in CLI but for people who prefer to get stuff done and programs to have wide native support Windows is still the way to go.

Then comes the whole Proton performance problems, tons of games reported platinum, gold, silver... yet reading reports they say: runs fine but the frequent stutters are annoying, or runs OK but cutscenes don't work and so on. Just because it runs doesn't mean it's actually in a proper working state.

And often it's a goodbye all DX12 games too.

It's cool and a lot of work and now money from Valve has been sunk into it but it will never be as good as supporting devs to make their games native for multiple platforms, considering the sometimes lacking features on Linux I don't really blame them for not even wanting to port their babies to something where they have strip features off and change the graphics in a big way. Sure they could from start develop multi platform but not everyone is that smart or can due to publisher/etc. who holds the money and dictates what will be or not be done.

I would rather dual boot and play native games on Linux if they run faster than bother with Proton/Wine/...
JackCY is offline  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 02:34 PM
Gamer, Folder, $$ Waster
 
CptAsian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: GA/SC, United States
Posts: 2,140
Rep: 57 (Unique: 53)
Nice to see, but probably not as great in reality as the numbers would make you think, like others in this thread have mentioned. The game I really tried to get running with Proton was Warframe, and while it technically worked, it was pretty buggy and the display had some issues so it really wasn't playable. Not sure what it was rated though.


Seconding the notion that native Linux support is the way to go.

Still in Beta Folding Team
Mechanical Keyboard Club
Ryzen 5 Owners Club
AMD R9 Radeon Fury/Nano/X/Pro/Duo Fiji Owners Club
Cooler Master HAF XB Club
Corsair Carbide Air 540 Owner's Club
The Relic
(25 items)
The Qube V2
(20 items)
CPU
[AMD] Ryzen 5 1600X
Motherboard
[Gigabyte] AX370-Gaming K5
GPU
[Sapphire] R9 Fury Nitro
GPU
[Sapphire] R9 Fury Nitro
RAM
[G.Skill] Trident Z RGB 4x8 DDR4 3200
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black M.2 512 GB SSD
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black 3 TB HDD
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black 3 TB HDD
Power Supply
[Seasonic] Prime 1000W Gold
Cooling
[NZXT] Kraken X52
Cooling
[Thermaltake] Riing 14 Blue Case Fan
Cooling
[Thermaltake] Riing 12 Blue Case Fan x7
Case
[Corsair] Air 540
Operating System
[Microsoft] Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
[BenQ] GW2765HT 27" 2560x1440
Monitor
[BenQ] GW2765HT 27" 2560x1440
Keyboard
[WASD] V2 Fullsize with Cherry MX Greens
Mouse
[Roccat] Tyon
Mouse
[XTracPads] Ripper XXL Gaming Mat
Audio
[M-Audio] Studiophile Q40
Audio
[Fiio] E10 USB Amp/DAC
Audio
[Samson] Go Mic
Other
[NZXT] Hue
Other
[NZXT] Sentry Mix 2
Other
[Cablemod] Custom Cable Extensions
CPU
[AMD] FX-4300
Motherboard
[MSI] 970A Pro Gaming Carbon
GPU
[EVGA] GTX 980 SC
GPU
[EVGA] GTX 960 SSC
RAM
[G.Skill] Ares 2x4 DDR3-1600
Hard Drive
[Samsung] 840 120 GB SSD
Power Supply
[Seasonic] Platinum-1000
Cooling
[NZXT] Kraken X40
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V12HP
Cooling
[Cooler Master] 80 mm Case Fan
Cooling
[Cooler Master] 80 mm Case Fan
Case
[Cooler Master] HAF XB
Operating System
[Microsoft] Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Keyboard
[Logitech] K400 Plus
Other
[NZXT] Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller
Other
[NZXT] Hue Light Kit
Other
[Phanteks] Sleeved Cable Extensions
▲ hide details ▲


CptAsian is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 02:41 PM - Thread Starter
sudo apt install sl
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,499
Rep: 188 (Unique: 130)
Quote: Originally Posted by CptAsian View Post
Nice to see, but probably not as great in reality as the numbers would make you think, like others in this thread have mentioned. The game I really tried to get running with Proton was Warframe, and while it technically worked, it was pretty buggy and the display had some issues so it really wasn't playable. Not sure what it was rated though.


Seconding the notion that native Linux support is the way to go.
Warframe runs perfectly on Linux. It's buggy because it's compiling shaders for the first time. With AMD's garbage compiler it takes around 20 minutes or LLVM when using mesa. I'm not sure when the last time you tried it but Steam made a new compiler that's as fast as Nvidia's proprietary compiler for AMD called ACO. I play Overwatch and Borderlands 3 which run great. Even Benchmarks like 3DMark work great.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/22141...5206474070669/

Silent
(20 items)
CPU
Core i9 9900K... CoffeeTime! @ 5.1Ghz w/ 1.36v
Motherboard
Maximus VIII Formula
GPU
Titan RTX @ 2100Mhz/2075Mhz
RAM
TeamGroup Xtreem 32GB 3200Mhz CL15
Hard Drive
HP EX950 2TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNova 1200w P2
Cooling
EK Supremacy Full Copper Clean
Cooling
XSPC D5 Photon v2
Cooling
Black Ice Gen 2 GTX360 x2
Cooling
EK-Vector Radeon VII - Copper + Plexi
Case
Thermaltake Core X5 Tempered Glass Edition
Operating System
Clear Linux
Monitor
Acer XF270HUA
Keyboard
Cherry MX Board 6.0
Mouse
Logitech G600
Mouse
Alugraphics GamerArt
Audio
Definitive Technology Incline
Audio
SMSL M8A
▲ hide details ▲
WannaBeOCer is offline  
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-17-2020, 07:07 AM
Gamer, Folder, $$ Waster
 
CptAsian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: GA/SC, United States
Posts: 2,140
Rep: 57 (Unique: 53)
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
Warframe runs perfectly on Linux. It's buggy because it's compiling shaders for the first time. With AMD's garbage compiler it takes around 20 minutes or LLVM when using mesa. I'm not sure when the last time you tried it but Steam made a new compiler that's as fast as Nvidia's proprietary compiler for AMD called ACO. I play Overwatch and Borderlands 3 which run great. Even Benchmarks like 3DMark work great.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/22141...5206474070669/

Interesting, thanks for the info. It was maybe a year and a half ago, could be more, so some things definitely could have changed since. If I find myself using a Linux machine daily again, I'll give it another shot for sure.

Still in Beta Folding Team
Mechanical Keyboard Club
Ryzen 5 Owners Club
AMD R9 Radeon Fury/Nano/X/Pro/Duo Fiji Owners Club
Cooler Master HAF XB Club
Corsair Carbide Air 540 Owner's Club
The Relic
(25 items)
The Qube V2
(20 items)
CPU
[AMD] Ryzen 5 1600X
Motherboard
[Gigabyte] AX370-Gaming K5
GPU
[Sapphire] R9 Fury Nitro
GPU
[Sapphire] R9 Fury Nitro
RAM
[G.Skill] Trident Z RGB 4x8 DDR4 3200
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black M.2 512 GB SSD
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black 3 TB HDD
Hard Drive
[Western Digital] WD Black 3 TB HDD
Power Supply
[Seasonic] Prime 1000W Gold
Cooling
[NZXT] Kraken X52
Cooling
[Thermaltake] Riing 14 Blue Case Fan
Cooling
[Thermaltake] Riing 12 Blue Case Fan x7
Case
[Corsair] Air 540
Operating System
[Microsoft] Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
[BenQ] GW2765HT 27" 2560x1440
Monitor
[BenQ] GW2765HT 27" 2560x1440
Keyboard
[WASD] V2 Fullsize with Cherry MX Greens
Mouse
[Roccat] Tyon
Mouse
[XTracPads] Ripper XXL Gaming Mat
Audio
[M-Audio] Studiophile Q40
Audio
[Fiio] E10 USB Amp/DAC
Audio
[Samson] Go Mic
Other
[NZXT] Hue
Other
[NZXT] Sentry Mix 2
Other
[Cablemod] Custom Cable Extensions
CPU
[AMD] FX-4300
Motherboard
[MSI] 970A Pro Gaming Carbon
GPU
[EVGA] GTX 980 SC
GPU
[EVGA] GTX 960 SSC
RAM
[G.Skill] Ares 2x4 DDR3-1600
Hard Drive
[Samsung] 840 120 GB SSD
Power Supply
[Seasonic] Platinum-1000
Cooling
[NZXT] Kraken X40
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V14S
Cooling
[Cougar] CF-V12HP
Cooling
[Cooler Master] 80 mm Case Fan
Cooling
[Cooler Master] 80 mm Case Fan
Case
[Cooler Master] HAF XB
Operating System
[Microsoft] Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Keyboard
[Logitech] K400 Plus
Other
[NZXT] Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller
Other
[NZXT] Hue Light Kit
Other
[Phanteks] Sleeved Cable Extensions
▲ hide details ▲


CptAsian is offline  
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-17-2020, 08:50 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 313
Rep: 25 (Unique: 12)
I saw some youtube videos comparing AAA games' performance on wine+DXVK vs native windows 10.. And it was really surprising. The performance loss was almost negligible on a decent PC.

Some games though did suck for whatever reason, notably total war warhammer.
Semel is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off