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post #11 of 57 (permalink) Old 07-18-2020, 09:46 PM
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Exclusives sell consoles and MS does not have any thing to show for. Of course they have this kind of attitude and money to burn. Mean while Sony and Nintendo will continue to kick their asses. They have never been able to recover after the 360.
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Like many on this forum who can't seem to get away from politics out of everything under the sun. Really people need to stop trying to tie every technology/gaming/hardware news to politics. Take the stupid tinfoil hats off people, this is not a flat earther convention. Why do people continually force this garbage on others... please just give it up already...

Microsoft owns the PC gaming market by API/OS, Xbox has always been an extension of that. They have been planning on merging the two for a really long time. You mostly covered this in the first paragraph of your post, the rest is just absolute speculation of a "logical individual" with a politcal overtone that is absurd.
Didn't know basic business and marketing sense was considered "tinfoil hat" territory. Sorry you were offended by reality.
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old console hardware holds back game design greatly.
It's cheap PC owners who hold back games. All the people with crap sub $600 machines that expect to play the latest greatest games. The fact they have to cater to so many different type of machines is what holds games back for us.


Even Sony is said to moving to letting it's exclusives moves to PC

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Didn't know basic business and marketing sense was considered "tinfoil hat" territory. Sorry you were offended by reality.
I don't know how your post would upset anyone. I think it's fairly well reasoned, even if it might not be the truth.

I can tell you, though, that his post added nothing to the discussion. So, it's kind of weird that he's sitting there criticizing you.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
I don't know how your post would upset anyone. I think it's fairly well reasoned, even if it might not be the truth.

I can tell you, though, that his post added nothing to the discussion. So, it's kind of weird that he's sitting there criticizing you.
Some people get angry when they get a response they don't like.
It is very common especially in the current young generation which basically lives for arguing over the internet.
He feels to be very young considering he can't even do the basic distinction between economics and politics, and feels it is all interconnected.


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It's cheap PC owners who hold back games. All the people with crap sub $600 machines that expect to play the latest greatest games. The fact they have to cater to so many different type of machines is what holds games back for us.


Even Sony is said to moving to letting it's exclusives moves to PC
Not everyone can afford up to date 2000$ machine every other year.

So many buy a cheap PC once every few years and stick to it, because that is what they can afford.
I doubt they expect to play the latest greatest games. Mostly I expect them to be less gamers oriented in their purchase.

You do see people here who bought a brand new 2000$ PC 2 years ago who get frustrated the latest greatest game doesn't run 4K/60fps on their system.


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I suppose off topic posts and not adding value to a discussion is par for the course nowadays. I am certainly guilty of that myself many times over.

Exclusives really do drive a percentage of console sales - I know I bought an Xbox 360 solely for Tales Of Vesperia & Blue Dragon, two console exclusives. Actually I've bought three Xbox 360's due to the RROD thing but we won't focus too much on that.

This image I ran across seems to suggest that MS hasn't been terribly aggressive on exclusives for a while now. https://www.gameskinny.com/6ffwq/pla...lusives-better



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Not everyone can afford up to date 2000$ machine every other year.

So many buy a cheap PC once every few years and stick to it, because that is what they can afford.
I doubt they expect to play the latest greatest games. Mostly I expect them to be less gamers oriented in their purchase.

You do see people here who bought a brand new 2000$ PC 2 years ago who get frustrated the latest greatest game doesn't run 4K/60fps on their system.
I've always liked the idea of building one system with high quality/top tier parts and keeping it for a while. Then you get value over the long run, good performance for the duration, and less headaches than cheap-o parts would cause. Granted my franken PC doesn't fit that bill but there's really no compelling reason for me to make a clean sheet build at the moment - My R9 390 does what I need it to just as well as my old GTX 1080 did for 1080P gaming. That and parts shortages have been a nightmare to deal with.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Not everyone can afford up to date 2000$ machine every other year.

So many buy a cheap PC once every few years and stick to it, because that is what they can afford.
I doubt they expect to play the latest greatest games. Mostly I expect them to be less gamers oriented in their purchase.

You do see people here who bought a brand new 2000$ PC 2 years ago who get frustrated the latest greatest game doesn't run 4K/60fps on their system.
Perhaps it was a knock on platform wars. To clarify, cut consoles out of the equation entirely. I'd bet people would replace the word console with the phrase cheap PC in such arguments. We can't have nice things because Bob spent $600 on his "gaming rig" instead of $2000. Especially because, well, a console could be construed as a cheap "personal computer" with less functionality anyway. So perhaps the comment was meant to illuminate the hypocrisy in the great debate known as platform wars.

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I've always liked the idea of building one system with high quality/top tier parts and keeping it for a while. Then you get value over the long run, good performance for the duration, and less headaches than cheap-o parts would cause. Granted my franken PC doesn't fit that bill but there's really no compelling reason for me to make a clean sheet build at the moment - My R9 390 does what I need it to just as well as my old GTX 1080 did for 1080P gaming. That and parts shortages have been a nightmare to deal with.
The trouble is you tend to eat a price premium for getting the best. See exhibit A, $1200 GPU's. Because... that isn't excessive or inflated. Queue the just buy it write-up. As I like to call it, the ultimate credibility booster.

I've always been a fan of the one or two steps down approach myself. That is, look at the "best" out there and purchase whatever is one or two steps below it. You can usually dodge the price premium this way and still get respectable longevity.

In terms of the thread topic.... I'm genuinely curious how games supporting the old square boxes with hardware from the stone age for a couple years after the new squareish boxes spelling the doom of PC's (not sure how that works either) roll around means there are no incentives to buy the latter. I'd think the new kids on the block ditching the spinny boy HDD's and elevating themselves above piss poor load times would be incentive enough. It's not like Xbox had a wealth of great exclusives to offer in the first place.
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Exclusives sell consoles and MS does not have any thing to show for. Of course they have this kind of attitude and money to burn. Mean while Sony and Nintendo will continue to kick their asses. They have never been able to recover after the 360.
Like Microsoft's money comes from consoles at this point.
Gamepass is obviously their main money maker for the last years and i bet it makes a ton of money.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Not everyone can afford up to date 2000$ machine every other year.

So many buy a cheap PC once every few years and stick to it, because that is what they can afford.
I doubt they expect to play the latest greatest games. Mostly I expect them to be less gamers oriented in their purchase.

You do see people here who bought a brand new 2000$ PC 2 years ago who get frustrated the latest greatest game doesn't run 4K/60fps on their system.

that's the opposite extreme example to his extreme example.





4K60 sucks, 2 years ago, and now. It's just slightly less sucky now as games are slowly but surely getting better programming for it.



there are lots of people that'll disagree with me though, and state they've been playing at 4K60+ for 5 years now.



I decided to jump back down to 1440p120hz and have loved every second of it since. it helps that the PPI from my 4K to this 3440 isn't much different.

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