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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 07-18-2020, 02:24 PM - Thread Starter
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[TechSpot] Xbox chief Phil Spencer promises no Xbox Series X exclusives for a 'couple of years'

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For example, according to the Xbox boss, all first-party games released over the next "couple of years" will be playable on both current and next-gen consoles. The company is not interested in forcing players to switch to the Xbox Series X at launch just to play highly-anticipated titles like Halo Infinite.

Those games will certainly be better on the Series X, thanks to the features mentioned a moment ago, but the core experience will undoubtedly be largely the same across both generations. This is good news for any gamers that might prefer to wait a while before jumping on the next-gen bandwagon.
Source: https://www.techspot.com/news/86045-...ox-series.html

To me this basically means there is no reason at all to buy an Xbox Series X. It's such a dumb decision from Microsoft... So stupid that even a couple of years after the Xbox Series X comes out, all the games on it will still be held back by hardware from 2013. Despite what Phil Spencer wants us to think, pretty much all PC gamers know that old console hardware holds back game design greatly.

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They're more worried about getting/keeping people on gamepass then selling them new hardware. Including their cloud gaming service.

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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
Source: https://www.techspot.com/news/86045-...ox-series.html

To me this basically means there is no reason at all to buy an Xbox Series X. It's such a dumb decision from Microsoft... So stupid that even a couple of years after the Xbox Series X comes out, all the games on it will still be held back by hardware from 2013. Despite what Phil Spencer wants us to think, pretty much all PC gamers know that old console hardware holds back game design greatly.
I think you're greatly overstating the problem here. In all previous generational leaps, support for older consoles could certainly be said to have held back features for newer consoles, Xbox 360 to Xbox One being the latest example of this. This is largely due to the vast architectural differences between the two generations, as well as between console hardware architectures and consumer x86 architecture with the Xbox One and PS4 having taken huge steps towards traditional PC architecture. This latest generation of consoles will be closer than ever to essentially being OS-locked PCs with console-specific efficiency improvements. It will be very easy to continue to innovate on the software side, then tone down elements of graphics and gameplay for previous-gen consoles.

You're thinking as a gamer and not as a logical individual. This is a business move by Microsoft. The US economy has been cratered by COVID-19 and an utterly anemic federal response from a failure of an administration. Microsoft doesn't want to put themselves in a position where finding a market for their software (a high-profit item) in a cratered economy depends on their ability to convince an increasingly out-of-work population to drop half a month's rent just to buy themselves a console (low-profit item) in order for Microsoft to only then be able to sell them games.

Edit: Also, the "couple of years" time-frame for older console support matches perfectly with the amount of time that most economists believe it will take for our economy to begin to get back on its feet again.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Owari View Post
I think you're greatly overstating the problem here. In all previous generational leaps, support for older consoles could certainly be said to have held back features for newer consoles, Xbox 360 to Xbox One being the latest example of this. This is largely due to the vast architectural differences between the two generations, as well as between console hardware architectures and consumer x86 architecture with the Xbox One and PS4 having taken huge steps towards traditional PC architecture. This latest generation of consoles will be closer than ever to essentially being OS-locked PCs with console-specific efficiency improvements. It will be very easy to continue to innovate on the software side, then tone down elements of graphics and gameplay for previous-gen consoles.

You're thinking as a gamer and not as a logical individual. This is a business move by Microsoft. The US economy has been cratered by COVID-19 and an utterly anemic federal response from a failure of an administration. Microsoft doesn't want to put themselves in a position where finding a market for their software (a high-profit item) in a cratered economy depends on their ability to convince an increasingly out-of-work population to drop half a month's rent just to buy themselves a console (low-profit item) in order for Microsoft to only then be able to sell them games.

Edit: Also, the "couple of years" time-frame for older console support matches perfectly with the amount of time that most economists believe it will take for our economy to begin to get back on its feet again.
Like many on this forum who can't seem to get away from politics out of everything under the sun. Really people need to stop trying to tie every technology/gaming/hardware news to politics. Take the stupid tinfoil hats off people, this is not a flat earther convention. Why do people continually force this garbage on others... please just give it up already...

Microsoft owns the PC gaming market by API/OS, Xbox has always been an extension of that. They have been planning on merging the two for a really long time. You mostly covered this in the first paragraph of your post, the rest is just absolute speculation of a "logical individual" with a politcal overtone that is absurd.

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Cross generation games have a much different role on the market today than they did seven years ago.

Games that crossed from PS3/360 to PS4/XOne only got a resolution/effects boost, now that we have HDMI2.1 and the CPU hardware to power it, any games that release at 60fps on XOne will comfortably be able to run 120fps on the new Xbox Series consoles, and if they target 30fps on XOne you'll get a variable framerate still potentially up to around 90fps.

The existence of the lower spec machine gives developers motivation to actually push framerates.
In my opinion the strategy being employed by Xbox is ideal.

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Also, this news is at least six months old: https://www.digitalspy.com/tech/a305...022-microsoft/
I seem to remember hearing similar statements last year.
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I agree the differences between this gen and next gen are not as much of a hinderance as it would be with other generational leaps but it's still going to limit the potential of any Xbox games, like by a lot.

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what potential?


Sony proves it time and time again, the potential that's missing more times than not IS TALENT, not even bigger maps for endless fetch quest RPGs.

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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
I agree the differences between this gen and next gen are not as much of a hinderance as it would be with other generational leaps but it's still going to limit the potential of any Xbox games, like by a lot.

ummm... what? going from a jaguar to zen 2 cores and then going from a 5400rpm hard drive to an nvme ssd is not seen as something that will be a huge hinderance when you are designing a game for both generations? this is actually one of the biggest jumps in performance from one console generation to another in a long time. the jaguar cores were considered pretty bad when they released

this doesnt give me much hope for first party games from microsoft. i didnt think microsoft would abandon xbox one within the first year of of the xbox series x release but since this sounds like it will drag on for multiple years you cant develop a game for both consoles without some big compromises in what you want in the game

a good example. Battlefield 4 released for both the xbox 360 and xbox 1. they added a shield to the game but they couldnt make it so you could fire a handgun and use the shield at the same time (which is what they originally wanted) the reason why was because the xbox 260 didnt have enough memory to do it. that was something very simplistic that they couldnt do because of the generational differences

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Could go either way.

Base gameplay is gimped by last gen hardware but this allows more headroom for graphics and with diminishing return in AAA core game design, it could be a net win for MS exclusives.
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