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Yes, it's all very important. The cooler is only as good as it's weakest link.

For these big coolers (large heatpipe & fin area) to show their cooling ability they need high TDP CPUs.
  • 1st, how well the base transfers heat from CPU chip (in middle of CPU) to heat pipes. Base materaial & attachment to pipes is key here.
  • 2nd, how well the heatpipes transfer that heat to fin pack and into fins. Fin attachment to pipes is the key here.
  • 3rd, how well the airflow through fins transfers heat from fins into air. Fin design & airflow are key here.

There are many different designs of heatpipe wick to draw liquid back to base. Some perform better than others.

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By my crude calculations the TRUE Spirit 140 Power with 8mm pipes has about 30% more pipe to fin contact area than TRUE Spirit 140. That is assuming both measure 107.5mm from bottom of fins to top of press fit flange on top of top fin... Which is the length of fin metal in contact with heatpipe.

Fin area is about 13% less for TRUE Spirit 140 Power is about 13% less than for TRUE Spirit 140; 45 fins on TS140P compared to 51 fins on TS140.

What is interesting is much better the cooling is.

Lenny over on Bit-Tech tested it on his i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz using TY-143 fans. His testing shows TRUE Spirit 140 Power 0.3c warmer with one fan at 1200rpm than NH-D14 was with 2 of the same fans at 1200rpm. Both running 2 fans at 1200rpm the TRUE Spirit 140 Power is 2c cooler, and 2 fnas at 2500rpm it's 3c better.. Remember this is NH-D14 with 2500rpm TY-143 fans, not it's stock 1200/1300rpm fans. Stock TRUE Spirit 140 Power uses a TY-147 fan. Same performance as TY-143 at same rpm.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=269339

On an i7 3690x @4.5Ghz TRUE Spirit 140 Power was 0.8c warmer than NH-D14 SE 2011 65/4c to 66.2c). Also 3c better than TRUE Spirit 140 with 6mm pipes.



And at same time was 2.5dBA quieter (42.4c to 39.9c)
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What about the old archon vs this?

x2, anyone knows?
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Look at some reviews and see how the old Archon performs against NH-D14. If it's as good as D14 than it's as good as TRUE Spirit 140 Power. wink.gif

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Look at some reviews and see how the old Archon performs against NH-D14. If it's as good as D14 than it's as good as TRUE Spirit 140 Power. wink.gif

I was referring to the lastest Archon SB-E X2, which has 8 pipes instead of 6.
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This looks like a good value for the cooling it provides. Wonder if it will benefit me replacing my NH-D14 (with A15 and F-12) with it. Probably not, but I would have considered this over that if it were available at the time.

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I was referring to the lastest Archon SB-E X2, which has 8 pipes instead of 6.
Does it perform as good as or better than NH-D14? I'm guessing it's within a few degrees one way or the other so performance is about the same as TRUE Spirit 140 Power
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I just ordered a TS140 Power. I will post my thoughts on it when it arrives in 2 days.
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This looks like a good value for the cooling it provides. Wonder if it will benefit me replacing my NH-D14 (with A15 and F-12) with it. Probably not, but I would have considered this over that if it were available at the time.
With stock fan the performance is almost identical with TRUE Spirit 140 Power being quieter. With a second fan it's only a couple degrees better


LennyRhys over on Bit-Tech got amazing results with two TY-143 fans on his i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz. At 1200rpm got 52.55c at 1200rpm and at 2500rpm an amazing 43.25c. delta.

Here in UK the TRUE Spirit 140 Power is £34.67. A second TY-147 is only £5.87 for a total of £40.54. And if we want to go extreme two TY-143 fans cost £13.98 for a total of £48.65. That's an amazingly low price for a cooler that will cool this well.

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I hope the TS140P wil be available in France at a reasonable price.. Finally getting a replacement for my HR02 redface.gif

I plan to use my current undervolted NF A15 on it though, i prefer it over the TYs.

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Look at some reviews and see how the old Archon performs against NH-D14. If it's as good as D14 than it's as good as TRUE Spirit 140 Power. wink.gif

I was referring to the lastest Archon SB-E X2, which has 8 pipes instead of 6.

I don't know what the physics say about what's better, 8 * 6mm pipes or 6 * 8mm pipes.

If you only look at the geometry, nearly every formula you use turns out equal. The width of the base plate will be the same because it's (8 * 6) mm for both. In an equation about the surface area of the pipes, both sides will be equal because circumference of a circle is just a factor multiplied onto the diameter which will cancel out on the two sides of your equation.

The only place where a difference will be is the inside of the heat-pipe. This is because the formula for area of a circle has diameter squared. The thicker 8mm pipes will use more material, see here:

Take the square of radius of pipes multiplied by number of pipes:

(8 / 2) * (8 / 2) * 6 > (6 / 2) * (6 / 2) * 8
=> 4 * 4 * 6 > 3 * 3 * 8
=> 96 > 72

I have noooooo idea what that means and what to guess about what's the stronger idea... 8 thinner pipes that are overall less material or 6 thicker pipes that are overall more material.
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