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Thermalright TY-14x fan seriesTY-14x fans all have almost identical sound at same RPMHere are the dbA levels of two TY-143 fans on PH-TC14PE at 1 meter on open bench. These fans have been on this system 24/7 for about 20 months now.1100rpm = 31dBA1300rpm = 34.5dBA1550rpm = 36dBA1700rpm = 39dBA2000rpm = 41dBA2200rpm = 45dBA2420rpm = 46dBAAll TY-14x fans also have same performance curveAlso all but TY-141 have same blade design.TY-140 . . . . . . . . . . .TY-141. . . . . . . . . . .TY-143 . . . . . . . . . . .TY-147 / TY-147A . . . .TY-147A Black Now look at how closely the NF-A14 and NF-15 match the TY-14x design in post #27.Also the performance comparisons in post #27.There is a new TY-147 A out now that will repace the TY-140 & TY-147. Same fan with a lower idle speed and different PWM/RPM curve. I only have one of these but am very impressed. The 300rpm to 600rpm range greatly enhances the versatility of this fan.At this time I can buy TY-143 for £6.95 and TY-147 fans for £6.59 .. a fraction of what Noctua fans cost. But even at full price are still less expensive than Noctua.Just put this together with Coolingtechnique data. Rather obvious the Thermalright TY-14x series fans are as if not better than Noctua NF-A14, NF-A15 1500rpm and NF-A15 iPPC 3000rpm fans when running at same speed.You can see in this bar graph the NF-A1x series have more static pressure and perfrom the same as TY-147A and TY-143 on radiator, but TY-147A and TY-143 pull away with with less resistance of just filter and without filter.

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i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
@ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base

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I've got some questions about how best to cool a horizontal motherboard style case. I'm putting together a build using the Cooler Master HAF XB EVO case and plan to fully air cool it. I've got an ATX board with an i7-4790k and am using the Cryorig R1 Universal to cool it. For now I just have a single MSI GTX 980 Gaming 4G video card but plan to put a second one in within the next few months. An EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 is powering all this and I only have a single Samsung 850 Pro SSD and Seagate Constellation ES.3 HDD.

Cooler Master has these airflow "guides" along with the following fan capabilities:

● Top: 200mm fan x 1 (optional)
● Front: 120mm XtraFlo fan x 2, 1200 RPM, 17 dBA (installed), or 140mm fan x 2 (optional)
● Rear: 120mm fan x 1, or 80mm fan x 2 (optional)

My goal is to keep it fairly quiet without going all silent nazi on it. I'll be running a "reasonable" OC where I'll bump it up as high as it can run stable and then take it back down a couple notches (hope to end up around 4.4-4.5GHz) and don't plan on any GPU or memory OCing beyond what they come with already so I doubt that I'll be putting out a whole lot of heat. One area that does concern me is dust since I live in the opposite of a clean-room so I'd prefer to get positive pressure in the case if possible although I'm not sure how to do this without room for fans on the bottom front to pull cool air in down there.

As mentioned above, the case comes with just two XtraFlo 120mm fans and I doubt these are very good. I guess my second question after figuring out where all I need fans in order to achieve positive pressure would be which ones to go with. Fortunately, this isn't an immediate concern since I can always replace these after my build is done so if you'd rather wait and see photos of what the interior of the case looks like when filled with components then that's fine. Price shouldn't be a concern as long as you're not recommending gold coated or diamond studded fans (which would be kind of awesome). Really, I just need help figuring out which fans are good. I've read through a couple of these forum threads and am still a bit confused by all the research you OCN people put into this stuff.

So yeah, what would you recommend I do for case fans? Also, if this post should be moved somewhere else please let me know. Too many threads on air cooling to know which one to put my question in.

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Vibration Dampeners & Mounts
To isolate vibration like a side cover touching a cooler or fan on cooler I use self adhesive cabinet door silencers / bump stops These are available at most cabinet shops or hardware stores in different sizes and thicknesses.


Mounting fans with the silicone fan screws works well for case fans. More soon. biggrin.gif

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Heh, no problem, take your time. I figured you or someone else would enjoy the challenge. I'm also willing to work with you a bit if you want to test a few well thought out options.

On a side note, any idea what kind of idle temps I should be aiming for with the i7-4790k before OCing? I used some old Gelid TIM I had instead of the stuff that came with the Cryorig R1 and was at 29C that slowly rose to 33C after about an hour sitting in the bios. I'd like to get good idle temps before I finish doing cable management or installing the OS. I figure I'll try the other TIM at least once and see if I get better results but am I at least close to good numbers or do you think I goofed on the heatsink install? I'm a bit rusty; haven't built a PC in two years.

I'll try to pick out a few choice photos tonight so I can get my official build log post started. I wish I could get a job just building PCs. It's so much fun.

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Best way to evaluate CPU (and GPU temps is to monitor the air going into them Like the Optimizing Case Cooling says, it's all about supplying them with the coolest air possible. The continual rise over an hour indicates the case air is rising in temp which results in the CPU rising about the same amount. A simple and low priced indoor/outdoor thermometer like I show works very well.

Phanteks Owners Club Ways to Better Cooling
i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
@ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base
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Squaring TY-14x fans

Phanteks Owners Club Ways to Better Cooling
i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
@ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base
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Making PH-TC14PE Fan Mounting Clips for TY-140 series fans

The stock fan clip pins either have to be cut to clear the beveled edge inside of TY-140 series fans or make pins from zip-ties.
First feed the tip Zip-tie through the mounting hole and back, start it into it's latch, slip something about 2mm in size (like drill bit) into Zip-tie loop on other side of fan hole and pull Zip-tie tight. Clip off excess zip-tie and we have one new fan clip pin.

Zip-tie fan clip adapter in wrong mounting hole. . . . . Phanteks fan clip and home-made Zip-tie fan clip


Zip-tie fan clip adapter in TY-143 fan

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i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
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Controlling case fans with PWM signal from motherboard CPU fan header and GPU fan header.

Setting up GPU PWM control of case fans:

Doyll, what happens if you don't cut the blue wire? I had thought GPU's monitor fan
speed as well?
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WRT Thermalright vs. Noctua, doesn't Noctua use much better bearings
than Thermalright? I've read Noctua uses some sort of magnetic bearings
in their high end fans while most Thermalright fans seem to use sleeve
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Doyll, what happens if you don't cut the blue wire? I had thought GPU's monitor fan
speed as well?
Normally the blue wire is pin-4 .. the PWM signal. Green or yellow is typically the RPM lead color.

The GPU fan is monitoring is being monitored. We do not want another RPM signal going to GPU and mixing up the GPU fan signal.

You can use the RPM lead from fan in another plug and plug it into unused motherboard fan header to see the fan's RPM. Post #17 here shows how this works.

GPU PWM to Normal PWM Splitter with PSU Power & Auxiliary RPM Plug


modDIY has several adapters and splitters for this.
mini 4-pin PWM adapters
http://www.moddiy.com/products/Mini-...-Splitter.html

Mini 5-pin PWM adapters
http://www.moddiy.com/products/5%252...-Splitter.html

Phanteks Owners Club Ways to Better Cooling
i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
@ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base

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