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post #491 of 503 (permalink) Old 06-30-2019, 03:52 PM
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See also HardOCP's testing with ARO-M14G which is weaker than the Le Grande Macho :
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018...ooler_review/3
"Ryzen 7 1700 processor overclocked to 3.9 GHz at 1.475 volts. This represents a very high wattage load. The software used for testing will be Prime95 v29.3 with SmallFFTs for the CPU load." - ~160W CPU load
Dark Rock Pro 4 (roughly same caliber cooler but 1500RPM fan) = 77.6 , 85.7 when 170W+ GTX 670 GPU is also dumping heat in Furmark

NH-U14S (weaker than Le Grande Macho but 1500RPM fan) = 79.9, 85.6 when GPU is also dumping heat

AROM-14G = 83.3 , 92.2 is only when the GPU is also dumping heat
Wraith Prism stock cooler = 90.2 , fail with GPU dumping heat



case is 750D airflow edition which is a worse case than Meshify series



If you're getting more than 80 degrees Celsius it's not working properly. or you have severe airflow preheating from GPU.

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Quote: Originally Posted by goncalossilva View Post
[...] Lastly, gently pushing the cooler up lowers temperatures by another 2~3ºC, so it's definitely not perfectly in contact with the heat spreader, but such a small difference is really not defective. [...]
From what I've seen of Thermalright's mounting system, this really shouldn't be possible, so I'm thinking something is wrong. It's just tightening the screws as far as they go and that's it, with no way to tweak the pressure for you as the user. Things should be having very tight contact in a way where pushing on the cooler does absolutely nothing to change it.

I'm thinking they made a mistake somewhere with the parts for AM4 that were in your box. Maybe see if you can find out what the problem about the parts might be if take a good look them.

The mounting system you got is the one described in the following picture?

http://thermalright.com/wp-content/u...install-en.png
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Quote: Originally Posted by goncalossilva View Post
A little off-topic, but which fans would you recommend?
There are several really good fans, but which one to get depends alot on where you are and what is available at what prices.

Phanteks PH-F140MP are very good and here I can get 2-pack for £16.26 so only £8.13 each including tax with free delivery. In USA they are about $12-15 each
PH-F140XP and PH-F140SP are also good, but not as good as MPs at similar prices

Thermalright makes a square version of TY-147A and TY-143. TY-147A SQ is $17.99 and TY-143 SQ is similar price if you can find it.

be quiet! Silent Wings 3 high speed are arguably the best fans made right now, but also very expensive at about $23-26 each.

Easiest way to help select fans is give us links to sites you can buy from.

Noctua are good fans but also expensive at about $22-30 each

On the cheap side are Arctic P14 and P14 PWM and P14 for $30 -33 for 5-pack

Obviously I agree with other posters that your case airflow being very poor. I would remove all PCie back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve airflow from front to back and hopefullymove most of the it's heated exhaust air back and out of case. This needs to be done along with a couple high pressure rated 140mm front intake fans. Also, it might help to block the top vent. Easy way to test is by setting something over vent .. like a couple books. Reason is if air is moving up and out it most likely the cool air coming in top front intake fan and as it goes up and out of case it draws the heated air off of GPU up in front of CPU cooler an into it.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice. Turns out the cooler itself was the problem, and getting a replacement sorted everything out.

Longer version: As suggested by multiple people, I got better fans. Particularly, found a great deal locally and got a pair of Corsair Pro ML140 and a Corsair ML120. The airflow on these is insane, specially comparing with the GP-14. In the end I had two ML140 in the front doing intake, one ML120 in the back doing outtake, as well as one GP-12 in the top right above the RT doing outtake as well. Saw no improvement at all.

At this point I was pretty convinced that the cooler itself was the problem, and luckily enough, Amazon started selling them again so I could painlessly get a replacement. The replacement arrived, and I'm finally seeing great temperatures. At load, it outperforms the X61, even though my ambient temp has risen from 23ºC to 27ºC. Success!

NZXT X61 (ambient: 23ºC):
- Idle: 40~45ºC
- Load: 75~80ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 90ºC (after 2 hours)

Previous RT (ambient: 23ºC):
- Idle: 55~60ºC
- Load: 90~95ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 100ºC+ (I shut it down once it passed 100ºC, which took about 2 minutes)

Current RT (ambient: 27ºC):
- Idle: 45~50ºC
- Load: 70~75ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 82ºC (after 2 hours)
- Prime95 small FFTs + Unigine Heaven all ultra/high: 86ºC (after 2 hours)

This is exactly what I expected coming from the X61. Great performance! Thanks again for the help.
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Its an awesome cooler man, enjoy!

3770K @ 4600 1.3v/True Spirit 140 Power/TY-143/TY147A|Asus P8Z77-V|12GB G.Skill TridentX+RipJawsX @ 933 9-10-9-27 2T 1.6v|EVGA GTX 980 Classified 3988 @ 1497/2001|CM Silent Pro M2 850|Fractal Design Meshify C TG
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Quote: Originally Posted by goncalossilva View Post
Thanks everyone for all the advice. Turns out the cooler itself was the problem, and getting a replacement sorted everything out.

Longer version: As suggested by multiple people, I got better fans. Particularly, found a great deal locally and got a pair of Corsair Pro ML140 and a Corsair ML120. The airflow on these is insane, specially comparing with the GP-14. In the end I had two ML140 in the front doing intake, one ML120 in the back doing outtake, as well as one GP-12 in the top right above the RT doing outtake as well. Saw no improvement at all.

At this point I was pretty convinced that the cooler itself was the problem, and luckily enough, Amazon started selling them again so I could painlessly get a replacement. The replacement arrived, and I'm finally seeing great temperatures. At load, it outperforms the X61, even though my ambient temp has risen from 23ºC to 27ºC. Success!

NZXT X61 (ambient: 23ºC):
- Idle: 40~45ºC
- Load: 75~80ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 90ºC (after 2 hours)

Previous RT (ambient: 23ºC):
- Idle: 55~60ºC
- Load: 90~95ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 100ºC+ (I shut it down once it passed 100ºC, which took about 2 minutes)

Current RT (ambient: 27ºC):
- Idle: 45~50ºC
- Load: 70~75ºC
- Prime95 small FFTs: 82ºC (after 2 hours)
- Prime95 small FFTs + Unigine Heaven all ultra/high: 86ºC (after 2 hours)

This is exactly what I expected coming from the X61. Great performance! Thanks again for the help.

Good news! Could you see anything on first cooler to indicate it was bad? Not doubing it was bad, it's just the first time I've heard of one being bad, so curious what the problem actually was. Usually bad air coolers have obvious damage .. although it is possible a heatpipe (or two) didn't get charged properly so wasn't working as it should.

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Good news! Could you see anything on first cooler to indicate it was bad? Not doubing it was bad, it's just the first time I've heard of one being bad, so curious what the problem actually was. Usually bad air coolers have obvious damage .. although it is possible a heatpipe (or two) didn't get charged properly so wasn't working as it should.
There was no obvious damage as far as I could tell. The base was more uneven than the newer one, but otherwise they looked very similar...
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There was no obvious damage as far as I could tell. The base was more uneven than the newer one, but otherwise they looked very similar...
Thanks. Maybe it was just the base being too convex. Maybe a heatpipe or two were also bad. Really hard to guess. This is the first Thermalright I've heard of that was defective in a way that was not extremely obvious, like severelly bent fins, damaged / bent heatpipes, etc.

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I have the original Silver Arrow I bought almost 10 years ago for an X58 build. Just bought a Rizen 3600x and it seems like getting another similar cooler is probably simpler than the $25 for an AM4 mount.

Is this Thermalrights best cooler? and does it come with an AM4 compatible mount out of the box. Keep getting conflicting information when I look at various vendors for pricing. If I have to buy a bracket for a new cooler I might as well just stick with the old one.

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I have the original Silver Arrow I bought almost 10 years ago for an X58 build. Just bought a Rizen 3600x and it seems like getting another similar cooler is probably simpler than the $25 for an AM4 mount.

Is this Thermalrights best cooler? and does it come with an AM4 compatible mount out of the box. Keep getting conflicting information when I look at various vendors for pricing. If I have to buy a bracket for a new cooler I might as well just stick with the old one.

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True Spirit 140 Power is their best Heat Sink. Rated at 360w. Followed by Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme Rev. B, Silver Arrow T8, Archon IB-E X2, Le GRAND MACHO RT and for Threadripper you get a Silver Arrow TR4 which are all rated for 320w. Out of those 320w coolers LGMRT does the job in silence without the need for TY-143. But if you do add one, LGMRT is definitely a force to be reckoned with, though it already is.. TS140P also does the job in silence as well, again, rated at 360w and is even better when is used with a TY-143. It is tall.. That is my TS140P in my Meshify C in my avatar .

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