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post #11 of 205 (permalink) Old 12-17-2016, 06:48 AM
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It's good at keeping temps low but as i mentioned it's loud/noisy

The swiftech might be a bit more quiet,silnet but alot more expensive


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If you are calling it a "bit", then you have obviously never been in the same room with both of them. The Swiftech also cools better. The price difference is completely washed out by your recommendation of adding $40 worth of fans to the H100i. The H220-X2 is $139 from authorized resellers (who buys WaCo on Amazon???????). Your $40 "upgrade" also completely downgrades the performance of the H100i (it uses cheap inefficient components, it was designed for extreme airflow.....because high speed fans are cheaper than good components). There is no "very good" about any of this. There is no "good" at all, unless you prioritize an RGB sailboat over cooling, which many seem to.

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Eh, really a wash. The Silver Arrows typically need more airflow and noise than the D15 for similar performance. But, the TS 140 and Macho Zero outfitted with fans can get similar results.

Le Grand Macho and HR-22. Noticeably quieter at same performance.

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If you are calling it a "bit", then you have obviously never been in the same room with both of them. The Swiftech also cools better. The price difference is completely washed out by your recommendation of adding $40 worth of fans to the H100i. The H220-X2 is $139 from authorized resellers (who buys WaCo on Amazon???????). Your $40 "upgrade" also completely downgrades the performance of the H100i (it uses cheap inefficient components, it was designed for extreme airflow.....because high speed fans are cheaper than good components). There is no "very good" about any of this. There is no "good" at all, unless you prioritize an RGB sailboat over cooling, which many seem to.

I wrote atleast 20$ each if you want better fans on the corsair H100i, not that you have to buy better fans
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Care to menition them? Thermalright silwer arrow, Be quiet dark pro 3, Phanteks PH-TC14PE and Cyroig R1 Ultimate?

I don't have first hand experience with the Phanteks or the Cyrorig, but I've got a D15 a Silver Arrow and an Archon.

Silver Arrow is probably a little better with higher speed fans, but the D15 wins with quieter ones.

Always wanted to try the Phanteks but have never been able to justify the purchase given all the other coolers I have and the fact that the Phanteks wouldn't fit on the systems I have that would utilize it.
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Eh, really a wash. The Silver Arrows typically need more airflow and noise than the D15 for similar performance. But, the TS 140 and Macho Zero outfitted with fans can get similar results.

Macho Zero is another one I've wanted to try and it's actually narrow enough to fit on my X99 boards without interfering with the top PCI-E slot.
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The swiftech might be a bit more quiet,silnet but alot more expensive

I'm looking for something to replace my 280L (which cools ~250w loads better than I can get a D15 or Sliver Arrow to cool, even with the same stupid 65db fans...though this is partially because I have it mounted as the primary system intake), but which was always intended as a placeholder and that now has 15k hours on it and seems to be gradually losing coolant.

Since I'm not especially picky about peak noise levels (I'm ok with 60db+ at peak loads...mostly because I don't need to be in the room during peak loads), I've been considering the EK-XLC 280, but now that the price on that has shot back up past 200 dollars I'm probably going to grab the Swiftech H240 X2 for my primary system and if that's to my satisfaction I'll put a H320 X2 in my BW-E box.

I'd have gone with a custom loop from the start, but my primary system doesn't have clearance for a rad up top, and has limited space for the pump in the front which can only really hold a 280mm rad anyway...so a 280mm AIO was always decidedly more economical. I went with the Nepton CLC because it was half-off at the time and it's pump was widely regarded to be among the best available (important for cooling a hot running HW-E) in a CLC.

I should probably swap cases, but I like the R4 and moving all this crap (especially the IcyDock drive cage) is such a hassle.

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Le Grand Macho and HR-22. Noticeably quieter at same performance.

But can they move 250w of heat at an acceptable delta-T?

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I have the phanteks cpu cooler and it's more noisy

grand mach can't cool efficient enought without a fan (also had that fan), thermal true spirit 140 is better
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'm looking for something to replace my 280L (which cools ~250w loads better than I can get a D15 or Sliver Arrow to cool, even with the same stupid 65db fans...though this is partially because I have it mounted as the primary system intake), but which was always intended as a placeholder and that now has 15k hours on it and seems to be gradually losing coolant.

Since I'm not especially picky about peak noise levels (I'm ok with 60db+ at peak loads...mostly because I don't need to be in the room during peak loads), I've been considering the EK-XLC 280, but now that the price on that has shot back up past 200 dollars I'm probably going to grab the Swiftech H240 X2 for my primary system and if that's to my satisfaction I'll put a H320 X2 in my BW-E box.

I'd have gone with a custom loop from the start, but my primary system doesn't have clearance for a rad up top, and has limited space for the pump in the front which can only really hold a 280mm rad anyway...so a 280mm AIO was always decidedly more economical. I went with the Nepton CLC because it was half-off at the time and it's pump was widely regarded to be among the best available (important for cooling a hot running HW-E) in a CLC.

I should probably swap cases, but I like the R4 and moving all this crap (especially the IcyDock drive cage) is such a hassle.


Why don't you try different fans?
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I'm looking for something to replace my 280L (which cools ~250w loads better than I can get a D15 or Sliver Arrow to cool, even with the same stupid 65db fans...though this is partially because I have it mounted as the primary system intake), but which was always intended as a placeholder and that now has 15k hours on it and seems to be gradually losing coolant.

Since I'm not especially picky about peak noise levels (I'm ok with 60db+ at peak loads...mostly because I don't need to be in the room during peak loads), I've been considering the EK-XLC 280, but now that the price on that has shot back up past 200 dollars I'm probably going to grab the Swiftech H240 X2 for my primary system and if that's to my satisfaction I'll put a H320 X2 in my BW-E box.

I'd have gone with a custom loop from the start, but my primary system doesn't have clearance for a rad up top, and has limited space for the pump in the front which can only really hold a 280mm rad anyway...so a 280mm AIO was always decidedly more economical. I went with the Nepton CLC because it was half-off at the time and it's pump was widely regarded to be among the best available (important for cooling a hot running HW-E) in a CLC.

I should probably swap cases, but I like the R4 and moving all this crap (especially the IcyDock drive cage) is such a hassle.
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But can they move 250w of heat at an acceptable delta-T?

The 280L may be a tough one to replace in your circumstance. CM really did a nice job with the Nepton series in terms of using a pump that actually moves enough liquid, and using a better CPU block than the other CLCs. I would expect that you would get a boost from the H240-X2 since you would have a copper rad and higher flow, but.....the H240-X2 rad is also designed for lower airflow applications and doesn't scale as well as airflow is increased. The difference may wind up being pretty negligible if noise is not accounted for at all and you go with 60+ dB fans. I'm totally speculating here, since I haven't tested the H240-X2 with something like the EK Vardar F4 at 2500 rpm or the like.

Edit: I just noticed.....are those Corsair fans I see on the 280L? For God's sake, man, put the JetFlos back on! If noise isn't an issue, they should do a far better job of getting air through that rad. And, yes, the R4 is an awesome case.....but can be tough on cooling. I lived with higher temps because I loved the R4. Then I tested a couple of Phanteks cases and made the change simply because I wanted to go to to a custom loop from air.

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The 280L may be a tough one to replace in your circumstance. CM really did a nice job with the Nepton series in terms of using a pump that actually moves enough liquid, and using a better CPU block than the other CLCs. I would expect that you would get a boost from the H240-X2 since you would have a copper rad and higher flow, but.....the H240-X2 rad is also designed for lower airflow applications and doesn't scale as well as airflow is increased. The difference may wind up being pretty negligible if noise is not accounted for at all and you go with 60+ dB fans. I'm totally speculating here, since I haven't tested the H240-X2 with something like the EK Vardar F4 at 2500 rpm or the like.

Thanks for your insight.

I did notice that the Swiftech radiator has a lower fin count than the one on the Nepton 280L, so if raw surface area the limiting factor, it looks like I may well have to try to squeeze a new custom loop into my cash and space budget if I want to significantly improve upon the temps I'm getting currently.

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Care to menition them? Thermalright silwer arrow, Be quiet dark pro 3, Phanteks PH-TC14PE and Cyroig R1 Ultimate?
Those are some. Not so much Dark Rock Pro 3 because it focus on staying quiet rather than extreme cooling. R1 Universal has same cooling ability in cooler, but the thin fan lowers airflow so it becomes a little warmer.

TRUE Spirit 140 Power is right up with the best on high OC / high heat. On i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz it beat NH-14 and with 134cfm fan/s and it was 8.4-9.3c better at 2500rpm than at 1200rpm. But if you are going to run hi-performance fans on an air cooler you need to double case airflow to cooler too. If you don't the cooler has to make for it's increased airflwo by using it's on hot exhaust air

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The cheapest DH15 is 100$ dollars here.
And i got my ThermalTake Frio Silent 14 for 35$. And gets the job done on a OC'ed Phenom II x6.

It all depends on what you need. And whats your budget.

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