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Cooling for OC Skylake-x

Have two Asrock OC Formula x299 boards, one with a 7920x/H115i and the other with a 7980xe/custom EK RES 140 D5/HK4/360GTX. I don't trust water cooling much, so am trying to see what, if any, air option might make sense for these. The TDP's can run 300-350 watts with the amount of OC presently applied.

Have been reading about the Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme. Looks like maybe it's good for at least 300 watts, maybe more, with those hi-speed fans. My cases are big enough. Does anyone use one with these cpu's?

I can't find a source for the IB-E Extreme; is it still sold anywhere? It's also unclear whether it could be used on the 2066 socket. But the TY-143 fans are available. Would a Noctua D15 S with them or other hi-speed fans be workable? I can stand some fan noise, within reasonable limits, when pushing video.

What else might you recommend for X299 extreme air? Thanks.
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Have two Asrock OC Formula x299 boards, one with a 7920x/H115i and the other with a 7980xe/custom EK RES 140 D5/HK4/360GTX. I don't trust water cooling much, so am trying to see what, if any, air option might make sense for these. The TDP's can run 300-350 watts with the amount of OC presently applied.

Have been reading about the Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme. Looks like maybe it's good for at least 300 watts, maybe more, with those hi-speed fans. My cases are big enough. Does anyone use one with these cpu's?

I can't find a source for the IB-E Extreme; is it still sold anywhere? It's also unclear whether it could be used on the 2066 socket. But the TY-143 fans are available. Would a Noctua D15 S with them or other hi-speed fans be workable? I can stand some fan noise, within reasonable limits, when pushing video.

What else might you recommend for X299 extreme air? Thanks.
In USA Nans Gaming Gear is the official Thermalright dealer and sadly they don't seem to have much of anything in stock.

Silver Arrow IB-E, TRUE Spirit 140 Power or Le Grand Macho are all high wattage coolers. What cases do you have? Case airflow needs to be increased to match the almost twice as much airflow the TY-143 moves through cooler, so a couple SQ intake fans would be ideal.

Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme
http://thermalright.com/product/silv...-ib-e-extreme/

TRUE Spirit 140 Power
http://thermalright.com/product/true-spirit-140-power/

Le Grand Macho RT
http://thermalright.com/product/le-grand-macho-rt/

TY-143
http://thermalright.com/product/ty-143/

TY-143 SQ
http://thermalright.com/product/ty-143-sq/


TRUE Spirit 140 Power are available on Amazon.com for $49.99
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-...irit+140+power

Direct from Nan's Gaming Gear TRUE Spirit 140 Power is $44.95 plus shipping
http://www.nansgaminggear.net/Produc...e=TS-140-Power

Le Grand Macho RT is also very good on Amazon.com for $79.99
https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Macho-R...grand+macho+rt

TY-143 on Amazon are crazy high priced and Nans doesn't seem to have any in stock.

TRUE Spirit 140 Power with TY-143 fans, but as TY-143 are not available try it with stock fan. You might not need the high speed fans. Testing it on an old i7 920 @ 4.3GHz at 1200rpm was 54.2c and at 2500rpm 45.8c with single fan. 2x fans was 1.65c and 2.55c cooler respectively.
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-...irit+140+power

Maybe use Cooljag Everflow 140mm PWM model# F121425BUAF which are same basic fan as TY-143 SQ. PugetSystems sells them but seem to only have 1 in stock at the moment.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/store/i...=d41d8cd9&que=

Frozen PC have similar but it's the variable voltage model, not PWM. Because of high amp load only 1 can be ran on a motherboard fan header.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15...R121425SL.html

Sorry for so much info.

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Thank you for all; I will do more reading.

I don't see LGA 2066 mentioned by Thermalright. The specs may be too old. I emailed them about this; no anwer yet.

The 7980xe is in a Corsair 750D Airflow, with 170mm above the MB; could be a problem with TRUE Spirit. The 7920x is in a Rosewill GungnirX, with 180mm.

TY-143's are in stock at NE for $18 + $6 shipping, but SQ version not shown. Can't find anywhere for sale. Any other square fans in that speed range you would recommend besides the one Everflow in stock?
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doyll, the Noctua iPPC 3000 is actually rated as less noisy than the TY-143; is this a good fan?
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Thank you for all; I will do more reading.

I don't see LGA 2066 mentioned by Thermalright. The specs may be too old. I emailed them about this; no anwer yet.

The 7980xe is in a Corsair 750D Airflow, with 170mm above the MB; could be a problem with TRUE Spirit. The 7920x is in a Rosewill GungnirX, with 180mm.

TY-143's are in stock at NE for $18 + $6 shipping, but SQ version not shown. Can't find anywhere for sale. Any other square fans in that speed range you would recommend besides the one Everflow in stock?
LGA 2066 uses same mount as LGA2011 & LGA2011-3

I don't know abut 750D, but many companies CPU clearance is conservative by 1-5mm. If you measure from surface of motherboard to side cover and subtract 8mm you have the CPU clearance, From motherboard mounting tray to side cover and subtract 16mm you have CPU clearance. If you can't determine for sure it will fit, maybe order one and try it in 750D to be sure if it will fit, and if it doesn't use it in Gungrir X?

Whatever cooler you use needs case fans setup to flow cool air to components. Every degree warmer than room ambient temp the air is going into component cooler translates almost exactly to a degree hotter component is when working hard, and with stock fans and case fan setup the air temp into CPU cooler can easily be 15-20c warmer than room when both CPU and GPU are working hard. Stock case fans usually have too low static pressure rating to supply needed airflow to components. Case fans need to be 1.3-1.5mm H2O static pressure rating at a minimum. I also recommend removing all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU to give case better front to back airflow around GPU and lower the air temp to CPU cooler by moving the GPU's heated air back and out of case without it mixing with and heating up the cool intake air going to CPU cooler. You might find the how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow guide in link below of interest.
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doyll, the Noctua iPPC 3000 is actually rated as less noisy than the TY-143; is this a good fan?
I'll believe what people who have used both say over what the specs say . and they all say the TY-143 is quieter with better performance. TY-143 idles down to 550rpm (specs say 600rpm) while iPPC ispecs say 800rpm idle. One owner who just got a couple new TY-143s found they idle down to about 300rpm (same rpm the TY-147A & TY-147B idle at).

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Hi,
Default clocks air should do okay depending on chip
If you delidded the chips you have a lot easier job of air cooling and pushing further past default clocks otherwise you'd just have to see how it goes
Last bios I noticed it does turbo to 4.5 on my 7900x using by core usage.

AIO's well they are what they are most get them for a cleaner look and just as good performance as a super larger chunk of aluminum

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doyll, the Noctua iPPC 3000 is actually rated as less noisy than the TY-143; is this a good fan?
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
I'll believe what people who have used both say over what the specs say . and they all say the TY-143 is quieter with better performance. TY-143 idles down to 550rpm (specs say 600rpm) while iPPC ispecs say 800rpm idle. One owner who just got a couple new TY-143s found they idle down to about 300rpm (same rpm the TY-147A & TY-147B idle at).
There is a lot more to a sound profile than simply a dBA rating. The TY-143 is smooth and not intrusive, while the iPPC is incredibly grating at all speeds.

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There seems a potential problem with TY-143's, which showed up on Amazon reviews. The favorable reviews are two years plus old except one. He had bought several in the past, and recently bought two more. They had somewhat different labels and did not perform the same. Were more noisy and not as linear in response, falling outside of specs. Sounds like maybe Thermalright had to change suppliers, and the replacements are not as good. Or the recent ones were counterfeit. ???

The cheapest sources I can find for SQ's are two Italian on Ebay, at about $35 total per each.

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AIO's well they are what they are most get them for a cleaner look and just as good performance as a super larger chunk of aluminum
Both air cooling and CLCs have 'large chuck of aluminum' fins. Only difference is one is in middle of case and one is on case frame with big ugly hose usually about twice as long as needed making case look like a box of black snakes.

If it's an AIO that is not CLC they have temps and noise levels from at least to better than a good air cooler in a case with proper airflow .. but even the best will last maybe half as long as a good air cooled setup will. With air cooling the only thing that can wear out is the fans. Sure, heatpipes do have a finite life, but it is way longer than any of us will ever be using any cooler we have. I'm still using Thermalright Ultra 120 in March of 2007 and Ultima 90 I got in August same year. They are still very good coolers. In fact I wish Thermaright would re-release the Ultima 90. It's 6x 6mm heatpipes in 115x55x139mm (WxDxH) size w/o fan is more than 11 years old now, not sure when Noctua's NH-9U TR4-SP3 6x 6mm heatpipes in 95x71x125mm size w/o fan or NH-U9S 5x6mm heatpipes in 95x68x125mm size w/o fan came out.

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One thing for sure
An air cooler will never leak or the pump will never fail

But do research the large cooler installations
Some attach from the back of the board and that is a pita.

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Motherboard
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GPU
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RAM
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Hard Drive
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Optical Drive
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Power Supply
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Cooling
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Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 pro & 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Keyboard
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Mouse
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Audio
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CPU
i7-5930k with Heatkiller IV Pro Plexi-Copper and koolance vrm water blocks
Motherboard
X99 Sabertooth
GPU
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RAM
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Hard Drive
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Power Supply
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Cooling
2-240 GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads/ D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Case
Corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 and 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
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Mouse
Red Dragon Perdition
Audio
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Hard Drive
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