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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Phanteks released Eclipse P600S with same design concept as Evolv X, just not as many bells and whistles and a much lower price.
http://phanteks.com/Eclipse-P600s.html
Look like a good case with decent airflow with intake door removed, however, i dont have local retailers for Phanteks in Brazil, its a shame.
Current avaliability is basically restricted to corsair, cooler master, thermaltake and a bunch of crappy chinese designs.

Thermaltake have some interesting designs like cube cases, however most resellers just sell that stupid open P something thermaltake that is basically an open dust trap, somehow people seen to love that.

In terms of massive airflow i cant only find H500, like this one
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid...se-h500p-mesh/

However, this only supports 2 HDDs and personally i find all this plastic on top ugly.

Below, sustained load this afternoon, doing AC ODissey, it really hammers CPU and GPU. Red line is gpu, constant termal load @ 70c. CPU median is 65c.
Doing same test on Realbench leads me to +10c over CPU, and it uses handbreak and AFAIK it uses AVX, but not at same ratio as P95.
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Look like a good case with decent airflow with intake door removed, however, i dont have local retailers for Phanteks in Brazil, its a shame.
Current avaliability is basically restricted to corsair, cooler master, thermaltake and a bunch of crappy chinese designs.

Thermaltake have some interesting designs like cube cases, however most resellers just sell that stupid open P something thermaltake that is basically an open dust trap, somehow people seen to love that.

In terms of massive airflow i cant only find H500, like this one
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid...se-h500p-mesh/

However, this only supports 2 HDDs and personally i find all this plastic on top ugly.

Below, sustained load this afternoon, doing AC ODissey, it really hammers CPU and GPU. Red line is gpu, constant termal load @ 70c. CPU median is 65c.
Doing same test on Realbench leads me to +10c over CPU, and it uses handbreak and AFAIK it uses AVX, but not at same ratio as P95.
Temps look good. Do you know the air temp into CPU and GPU coolers?

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Temps look good. Do you know the air temp into CPU and GPU coolers?
I need to retest with thermal probes inside.
With H110, which had 2x air exausts, in a dead zone inside case it was around 38, so around 8c delta over ambient.
I will probe again around gpu exausts and possible dead zones.

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Temps look good. Do you know the air temp into CPU and GPU coolers?
Done retesting while taking measures on same dead point when i measured before with h110. Measure point is a good dead spot, cant sense or perceive any airflow, against case wall, near top. Everywhere else there is airflow.
Room temp 29.7c. And its around midnight. Real hell.

Case temp when cpu temps stabilized, around 78c: 35.5c, so a delta of around 5.8c.
Case temp after cooling, idle: 32.5c.

So over this particular low airfllow spot, worse scenario was 5.8c delta over load. This gave me -2C over the last setup, when i was with psu intaking from inside, and 2 top exaust fans over the radiator.
It seen the solo air pressure generated by intake fans can work better than having a lot of fans generating pressure and exausting all around. Positive pressure seen to be the best way around, and directed by a fan aligned with gpu and a fan aligned with cpu.

I think i can still get better results, but its clear to me that this setup wins all around comparing with radiator / exausts.

One thing that i perceived about this particular spot, it took around 4 minutes to go back to 32.5c resting temperature, it probably is a dead spot, and fans rpm are adjusted by cpu temps.
It would be interesting if after a sustained load, i could keep fans spinning fast for 1-2 minutes to clean out, reducing faster the heat buildup, however, on ASUS bios i didnt find any way to do it.
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Done retesting while taking measures on same dead point when i measured before with h110. Measure point is a good dead spot, cant sense or perceive any airflow, against case wall, near top. Everywhere else there is airflow.
Room temp 29.7c. And its around midnight. Real hell.

Case temp when cpu temps stabilized, around 78c: 35.5c, so a delta of around 5.8c.
Case temp after cooling, idle: 32.5c.

So over this particular low airfllow spot, worse scenario was 5.8c delta over load. This gave me -2C over the last setup, when i was with psu intaking from inside, and 2 top exaust fans over the radiator.
It seen the solo air pressure generated by intake fans can work better than having a lot of fans generating pressure and exausting all around. Positive pressure seen to be the best way around, and directed by a fan aligned with gpu and a fan aligned with cpu.

I think i can still get better results, but its clear to me that this setup wins all around comparing with radiator / exausts.

One thing that i perceived about this particular spot, it took around 4 minutes to go back to 32.5c resting temperature, it probably is a dead spot, and fans rpm are adjusted by cpu temps.
It would be interesting if after a sustained load, i could keep fans spinning fast for 1-2 minutes to clean out, reducing faster the heat buildup, however, on ASUS bios i didnt find any way to do it.
5.8c isn't terrible, although your graph looks like temps keep slowly rising for quite a time before equalizing .. like 2/3rds of the way under load before stable maximum temp is reached.

I do agree with 'less is better'. Good cooling is having optimized airflow and that does not mean more fans. More often than not 2-4 well placed fans will give the best airflow and thus the lowest temps and noise. And yeah, a good air cooled setup is easily as good as liquid cooling .. unless it's a custom loop costing many times as much.

Where is this airflow dead spot?

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
5.8c isn't terrible, although your graph looks like temps keep slowly rising for quite a time before equalizing .. like 2/3rds of the way under load before stable maximum temp is reached.

I do agree with 'less is better'. Good cooling is having optimized airflow and that does not mean more fans. More often than not 2-4 well placed fans will give the best airflow and thus the lowest temps and noise. And yeah, a good air cooled setup is easily as good as liquid cooling .. unless it's a custom loop costing many times as much.

Where is this airflow dead spot?
Hi doyll, sorry, for late respose, too much work this week.
"Dead spot" as i call it is on top near front, its not in air path from both front (that is mostly sucked by noctua) and gpu.

Other spots tested rise temperatures much more, like right after noctua, and near gpu, but those quickly drop after the load is reduced, indicating its blow by the intake air.

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Just to add how bad things are here today: my car was reporting 41C ambient temperature while i was going to office. Street termometers were reporting 37-38C. Its just insanely hot.
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Hi doyll, sorry, for late respose, too much work this week.
"Dead spot" as i call it is on top near front, its not in air path from both front (that is mostly sucked by noctua) and gpu.

Other spots tested rise temperatures much more, like right after noctua, and near gpu, but those quickly drop after the load is reduced, indicating its blow by the intake air.

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Just to add how bad things are here today: my car was reporting 41C ambient temperature while i was going to office. Street termometers were reporting 37-38C. Its just insanely hot.
Cases almost always have some hotter areas, but as long as airflow from intake to coolers and over components is cool enough to keep everything important cool don't worry about area above motherboard, in front upper corner of case etc. Where on Earth are you located? That is super hot!

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Cases almost always have some hotter areas, but as long as airflow from intake to coolers and over components is cool enough to keep everything important cool don't worry about area above motherboard, in front upper corner of case etc. Where on Earth are you located? That is super hot!
Brazil. Yesterday we had the max official recorded temperature in Sao Paulo where i am, 37.7C.
Finally today temps dropped to around 26-27c at night at least i can sleep now.
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Brazil. Yesterday we had the max official recorded temperature in Sao Paulo where i am, 37.7C.
Finally today temps dropped to around 26-27c at night at least i can sleep now.
26-27c is not bad, but 37.7c can be brutal if humidiy is high as well. Even in desert 37.7 is brutal.

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This is my experience with NH-D15S + GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER + i9 9900K (Stock @4.7ghz) running Aida64 for 20min on each run (all fans are running at max speed)


GAME - Intel i9 9900K | AsRock Z390 Tachi | G.SKILL 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz | Asus RTX2080Ti Strix | Samsung 970Pro 1TB + Samsung 860Pro 4TB
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This is my experience with NH-D15S + GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER + i9 9900K (Stock @4.7ghz) running Aida64 for 20min on each run (all fans are running at max speed)

Nice work!
I'm surprised TY-143 didn't do better. Is it safe to assume the air temp into D15S was monitored and the same for both NF-A15 and TY-143 test runs? I assumed NH-D15 / NH-D15S would perform similar to NH_D14, and NH-D14 w/ 1x TY-143 @1200rpm vs 2500rpm was 9.35c difference and with 2x TY-143 1200rpm vs 2500rpm was 8.25c difference. I know NF-A15 are 1500rpm, but 300rpm usually is only a degree or two different. Test data attached.
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