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post #41 of 50 (permalink) Old 02-05-2019, 05:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Nice work!
Is it safe to assume the air temp into D15S was monitored and the same for both NF-A15 and TY-143 test runs?
All tests were done with in a 4 hour window in a test bench, ambient temp was 17C (i checked a couple of times during the 4 hours and remain there).

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I'm surprised TY-143 didn't do better.
I would say it did really good, as a matter of fact berely any gains of adding more than TY143. The problem is the noise, @2500rpm dominates any noise in the room, i prefer taking the 2C with dual NF-A15.

Im going to re do some testing, as i just got a AsRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate, probably not all, but i can retest the dual NF-A15 vs the single TY143 if you wish (or any other combo you might be interested). Im mostly trying to see if i can get away with Prolimatch Genesis with 2x TY143, to keep the Gskill TridentZ 3200CL14, or move toward the NH-D15S with Corsair LPX 3200CL16, but last time i did the testing went above 90C, but will see, maybe over the weekend i do the testing.

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All tests were done with in a 4 hour window in a test bench, ambient temp was 17C (i checked a couple of times during the 4 hours and remain there).

I would say it did really good, as a matter of fact berely any gains of adding more than TY143. The problem is the noise, @2500rpm dominates any noise in the room, i prefer taking the 2C with dual NF-A15.

Im going to re do some testing, as i just got a AsRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate, probably not all, but i can retest the dual NF-A15 vs the single TY143 if you wish (or any other combo you might be interested). Im mostly trying to see if i can get away with Prolimatch Genesis with 2x TY143, to keep the Gskill TridentZ 3200CL14, or move toward the NH-D15S with Corsair LPX 3200CL16, but last time i did the testing went above 90C, but will see, maybe over the weekend i do the testing.
Ambient temp really means little to nothing. The temp of air actually going into cooler is the key. Temp inside of case, even with side cover off and fans running is not the same as room ambient.

The testing of TRUE Spirit 140 Power and D14 I referenced was in open case similar to your test station and air temp into cooler changed dependent on cooler fan speed. I'm assuming you 'in a test bench 'was in a case with side panel off because you said' I ran everything with the side panel open and the case fans off'.
Below is what I used to monitor air temp while testing in the past when I didn't have motherboard with temp sensor probe to put in airflow in front of cooler / cooler fan. Still use a it when setting up case airflow to monitor air temp into coolers and other places inside of case.

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How to monitor air temperature different places inside of case:
  • A cheap indoor/outdoor thermometer with a piece of insulated wire and a plastic clothspin works great.
  • Made up with floral wire and tape. We don't want anything to short out with metal.
  • Clip and position sensor where I want to check the temp. Make it easy to see what the air temp going into components actually is relative to room temp.
  • Optimum cooling is when air temps going into coolers only being 2-3c warmer than room.. 5c or less is good.
I place the senor about 1" in front of center of CPU cooler fan. If used to monitor air temp into GPU I check in front of each fan but the warmest is usually the one nearest back of case.

There are also aquarium, terrarium, fridge, etc. remote sensor thermometers available at low price that can be setup to monitor airflow temps.

If you ever test a downflow cooler like stock CPU coolers you will find the air temp going into cooler when CPU us at full load is 8-12c warmer than other places in case, even found this to be true with an open bench test station.

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Brazil. Yesterday we had the max official recorded temperature in Sao Paulo where i am, 37.7C.
Finally today temps dropped to around 26-27c at night at least i can sleep now.
I also am in São Paulo (I think it can be translated as Saint Paul, no?). Really, the ambiente temperatures here have got insane. It is like the gate of the hell.

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This is my experience with NH-D15S + GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER + i9 9900K (Stock @4.7ghz) running Aida64 for 20min on each run (all fans are running at max speed)

Abula, good to see. Please, post more here in this forum. Since SPCR is a dead forum, this one is the best place with good guys.

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How loud was the TY143 running at twice the rpm as the Noctua fans?

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Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
How loud was the TY143 running at twice the rpm as the Noctua fans?
NF-A15 fans supplied with coolers are 3/5ths as fast as TY-143.
Noctua NF-A15 on coolers are 1500rpm
but retail NF-A15 are1200rpm.
Only retail NF-A15 that is 1500rpm is chromax.
TY-143 are 2500rpm so not twice as fast.
TY-143 has a nicer sound and is as quiet or quieter than NF-A15 at same speeds (up to 20-25dB @ 1300-1500rpm), but as speed increases from 1500rpm to 2500rpm TY-143 gets progressively louder with a maximum of about 45dB. As a comparison, Hyper 212 Plus is 68dB to Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme 69dB.

Keep in mind if you do use a cooler like Silver Arrow TR4, Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme or any other cooelr with hi-performance fans you need to increase case airflow to match the increased airflow of hi-performance cooler fans. If you do not the cooler will only give you a couple degrees lower CPU temps instead of the 7-10c improvement they are capable of. Reason is if case is not flowing as much cool air to cooler as hi-performance fans need the cooler ends up re-using already heated air to make up for it's additional airflow needs .. and degrees warmer the air into cooler is translates to same degrees hotter CPU will be. It's basically a 1:1 ratio of air temp into cooler to CPU temp, so if room is 23c with stock cooler intake air temp is 26c and CPU 70c @ 100% load @ 1300-1500rpm and we speed cooler fans up to 2500rpm without increasing case airflow the air temp into cooler will rise to about 34c and CPU will only be 66-68c, but is case fans increase case airflow to cooler so cooler is still getting same 26c air the CPU will be something like 58-60c. Numbers are estimates for explaination only. In actual use they will vary some .. and if CPU is not making extreme heat the differences will also be less.

It takes about 3dB difference for our ears to hear a change .. so 1dB is about 1/3rd what is needed for use to hear a difference.

A 10dB increase in dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level) sounds twice as loud to our ears, so when we hear 45dB sounds 4 times as loud as 25dB. But that is just dB of fan by itself. Mount it on a cooler and dB levels go up. How much depends on each coolers' fin design.

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Being that I'm working with the 15S (with an additional fan upfront) are there any real concerns or reasons for concern with the weight of these things. I cant help but cringe when i look at it in all its glory looking like its trying to rip the CPU out the socket.
PS-i understand its not actually pulling on the cpu but really, any issues with these massive coolers in the long run. Thanks for your input.

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Being that I'm working with the 15S (with an additional fan upfront) are there any real concerns or reasons for concern with the weight of these things. I cant help but cringe when i look at it in all its glory looking like its trying to rip the CPU out the socket.
PS-i understand its not actually pulling on the cpu but really, any issues with these massive coolers in the long run. Thanks for your input.
No reason to worry about it's weight as long as you don't drop case from desk to floor. If you did that it might break something.

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
No reason to worry about it's weight as long as you don't drop case from desk to floor. If you did that it might break something.
Yeah copy that, i even try not to much it much as i know any movement + gravity = oops lol.

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Yeah copy that, i even try not to much it much as i know any movement + gravity = oops lol.
Really these big GPU coolers with 2x and 3x fans put way more stress on motherboard than CPU coolers do. Except for one screw in back all that holds/supports the GPU is it's PCIe socket.

To get an idea of how much abuse it takes to damage motherboard with a well mounted cooler, check out the video in link below. They boxed up a running system and threw it against the ceiling, and yeah things were damaged .. but system was still running!

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Really these big GPU coolers with 2x and 3x fans put way more stress on motherboard than CPU coolers do. Except for one screw in back all that holds/supports the GPU is it's PCIe socket.

To get an idea of how much abuse it takes to damage motherboard with a well mounted cooler, check out the video in link below. They boxed up a running system and threw it against the ceiling, and yeah things were damaged .. but system was still running!
https://youtu.be/XByL6tRPSBM?t=205
That's pretty impressive lol, puts my mind at ease.

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