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First quarter of 2019 best air cooling setup

Hello everyone. It is nice to become a member of this awesome, no-nonsense community after consuming thousands of lines of amazing content and guides written here. Although, I consider myself an advanced, enthusiast PC user, I understand that my knowledge in regard to the topic is far below the level I am trying to reach. Therefore, I would like to cheat a little by asking for help and advice from the more experienced and knowledgeable enthusiast members of the forum.

I am planning a new, extreme (quite overkill in some of its parts) rig (my 7th in 20 years) for gaming (8-10 hours per day) and, maybe, some hobby-level editing. The only constant variable in it being that it must be completely air cooled. The aim here is to have the best possible gaming performance on a single gpu with the ability to upgrade parts later. The PSU, case and all the cooling parts I would like to last and be optimal for a generation or two after this one. However, that is not mandatory.

The challenge I am faced with is this: what exact combination of case, case fans, CPU heatsink and heatsink fans would provide the best of the best (or within 1% of that) performance to noise ratio when trying to cool BOTH GPU and CPU?

The only thing I want to avoid while trying to achieve that is case modding aka drilling. However, I am ok with doing a lot of other modding like changing out a GPU cooler/thermal paste, changing out the fans on a heatsink, delidding a CPU (a must for me), removing a case PSU shroud etc.

I would prefer the build to look nice if it is a windowed case, however I would prefer more not to have to sacrifice any of the performance/noise ratio to the internal looks. A windowless case is good or even better as I won't have to worry about the looks in the future as I upgrade my parts.

I also would prefer to use a tried and true setup. I am not very fond of experimenting with case airflow for weeks/months.

Money is not an issue at all, there is no budget.

The parts list I have come up with so far:
CPU: i9 9900k (pre binned, looking for the best I can find on various overclocking forums, preferrably about 1.136v at 5 Ghz, 1.232v at 5.2 Ghz)
CPU cooling mod: 9900k der8auer direct die oc frame with liquid metal on CPU die
Ram: 32 (2x16) Gb of Ram (also prebinned, will be overclocked up to 1.5v max)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus Gene XI
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB 500gb x1 + Samsung 860 Evo 1TB, SATA x2
PSU: Seasonic Prime Titanium Ultra 1000W
GPU: RTX 2080 Ti EVGA FTW3 Ultra with liquid metal (one of the highest max OC wattage while also having one of the beefiest coolers and an almost unvoidable warranty)

My personal thoughts so far:

1. Heatsink and fans

The heatsink must be compatible with the direct die oc frame and must have nickel plated copper finish (so as not to have any issues with liquid metal). As far as I know being compatible means its height must be adjustable. The support at caseking.de has confirmed be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 to be compatible. I haven't done much research on the compatibility of other heatsinks. I know that Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT with its included fan would probably be better.

2. Case

GPU coil whine is a lottery. Therefore, I would prefer the case to have dampening material as it is supposed to help reduce the noise (however, I must admit, I have no experience with case dampening). I know that such cases usually have restricted airflow but I might be prepared to sacrifice some in order to eliminate possible coil whine noise.

Also, I would prefer to have the fan on my PSU running constantly. Just for the peace of mind.

My longtime consideration has been the original Dark Base 900 (non-Pro). First, I would invert it. Then I would test whether the CPU/GPU temps are better with an extra fan installed in the front or top (blowing down on the GPU). Then try 4 intake fans (3 in the front, 1 in the top). Then I would test whether CPU/GPU temps are better with the PSU facing up or down (I would prefer it facing up so that its fan noise is reduced by the case's dampening). I would still probably change out the fans for something like Phanteks PH-F140MP or Thermalright TY 14* as from what I read, they are superior. Still, I realise that this is already a lot of experimenting which I prefer to avoid altogether.

Again, I want your suggestions guys. I heard the new Evolv X is awesome? Really, I am open to anything.

3. Case fans

Phanteks PH-F140MP or Thermalright TY 14*? Or maybe something I haven't read about yet.

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CPU: i9 9900k, preferrably about 1.136v at 5 Ghz, 1.232v at 5.2 Ghz)



good luck on that one.

Dark Base 900 is a fantastic case but it's not air-flow focused. Silence focused and "good airflow" don't really exist. Quiet cases have solid panels and sound dampening. Air-flow focused cases have mesh.

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good luck on that one.

Dark Base 900 is a fantastic case but it's not air-flow focused. Silence focused and "good airflow" don't really exist. Quiet cases have solid panels and sound dampening. Air-flow focused cases have mesh.

Pick one
I am hoping to get something close to this one:
https://community.hwbot.org/topic/18...9900k-5g-1136/

Won't be easy, of course.

I figured, if I can get such a good CPU, I would probably not need THAT much airflow to cool it properly (something like 70c max while gaming) while still being able to have a silent system. Meanwhile, such a case would save me from having to put up with hearing irritating coil whine.

Still, this is all theoretical for me at this point.

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2. Case



My longtime consideration has been the original Dark Base 900 (non-Pro).

3. Case fans

Phanteks PH-F140MP or Thermalright TY 14*? Or maybe something I haven't read about yet.

And things like this is where it goes off the rails. You are already looking at changing for the sake of changing. The SW3 included with the Dark Base 900 are better fans that what you intend to replace them with.

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And things like this is where it goes off the rails. You are already looking at changing for the sake of changing. The SW3 included with the Dark Base 900 are better fans that what you intend to replace them with.
I guess thank you for the tip! Choosing the rest of the parts is much easier for me. Choosing a case, fans and a heatsink is very confusing and I can't tell clearly which is better.

However, I read here (https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...flow-case.html) that PH-F140MP produce more static pressure at the same RPM and my understanding was that they must be better in my particular use case. Am I wrong? If I am, is there anything better than Silent Wings 3? Noiseblocker-eLoops?

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3. Case fans

Phanteks PH-F140MP or Thermalright TY 14*? Or maybe something I haven't read about yet.
I have always been a big "fan" of Noctua products. I run them in all of my builds, they are quiet and very efficient for their airflow and reliability. If you are looking at case fans and CPU heatsinks, I would not skip over Noctua products.


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I guess thank you for the tip! Choosing the rest of the parts is much easier for me. Choosing a case, fans and a heatsink is very confusing and I can't tell clearly which is better.

However, I read here (https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...flow-case.html) that PH-F140MP produce more static pressure at the same RPM and my understanding was that they must be better in my particular use case. Am I wrong? If I am, is there anything better than Silent Wings 3? Noiseblocker-eLoops?
That is not the case. The SW3 creates more static pressure at lower noise levels as shown below, especially in the midrange where you will be using them. The eLoops have a slight advantage at some speeds, but the least bit of obstruction on the intake side makes the eLoops produce a nasty howl.



All in all, you are buying a case with what many consider to be the best fan on the market already included. Changing them would be nothing but an expense with no benefit.

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That is not the case. The SW3 creates more static pressure at lower noise levels as shown below, especially in the midrange where you will be using them. The eLoops have a slight advantage at some speeds, but the least bit of obstruction on the intake side makes the eLoops produce a nasty howl.



All in all, you are buying a case with what many consider to be the best fan on the market already included. Changing them would be nothing but an expense with no benefit.
I appreciate the clarification. Thank you.
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Direct die + LM = find an air cooler that can even mount that low with enough pressure and has flat nickel plated base. Most CPU coolers are not flat base and won't mount low enough for direct die, meaning usually people use some water block and custom screws to get it as low as they need.
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Direct die + LM = find an air cooler that can even mount that low with enough pressure and has flat nickel plated base. Most CPU coolers are not flat base and won't mount low enough for direct die, meaning usually people use some water block and custom screws to get it as low as they need.
As I have said, I am aware of the issue. However, in his presentation video, der8auer said that some of air coolers are compatible. I have specifically asked caseking.de support about the compatibility with be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and they answered that it is compatible. There should be other air coolers with adjustable height as well.
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