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post #11 of 83 (permalink) Old 04-20-2019, 03:03 PM
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But they aren't under $30 any more, they are 35 now, looks like you can get a refurb for 22. It had a hard time with my x5690 at 4ghz. I still stick with it being marginally better than a 970-990 stock cooler

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Either you didn't mention it or maybe I missed it, but did you try to clean and apply fresh TIM to the socket before changing out to the 212?

Don't get me wrong, I am on my 5th or 6th Hyper 212 EVO. In fact I recently purchased my latest one to go with my Streacom BC1 open bench table. As many sockets as the EVO covers it was a no brainer for a solid performance CPU cooler to box up and have on hand when I am doing any new build. Whether for client or for personal use. I use custom cooling loops, so knowing the state of my systems prior to blocking and tubing is very important. You simply don't just dive right in and start putting together your cooling setup without knowing whether or not you have an issue with any component. Doing so is living dangerously, because if you have an issue with a motherboard or CPU, you have to drain your loop and then dismantle it to be able to remove the offending component. It's bad enough when you have to do so with an Air cooler. Even worse when it's custom cooling.

I've only had one negative experience with the 212 EVO and that was when I had to remove it to block my CPU on my CIVFormula. The thumbscrews were so tight that I could not remove it as it was installed. I had to remove the MB from the case in order to access the backplate(this was back when CPU cutouts were not so large) and remove it by unscrewing the backplate. Not that big of a deal for me since I had to install an EK backplate anyway. But for someone who only needed to change out their CPU or TIM that could be a bit more of an irritant as it was for my experience. I've since learned not to overdo it on the tension. I simply screw each thumbscrew all the way down and back out about a quarter turn to make sure that I don't have to worry about this issue.

As far as performance? Well I simply have zero complaints about these CPU coolers. My first EVO was 2nd hand IVGC to replace my Corsair H50 when I decided to custom cool the previously mentioned system which was running a lapped 955BE at the time. I contacted CoolerMaster about the fan brackets for the 2nd fan setup and they sent me the fan brackets free of charge. Didn't even bother charging me for shipping. IIRC that cooler on my lapped CPU put sub 40 temps on my screen @ Idle and mid 40s under load. I currently have this one on my Black Snow build while I compile my setup and get it ready for a the new Case. Low 40*c's @ 3.6ghz.

I cannot speak to what anyone does and their results with their 212, but I don't use the stock paste and I spread my TIM over the entire surface of the IHS. This means there are no issues with coverage or with less TIM or bubbles in the paste when mounting the Cooler. It also means less time wasted on reseats or reapplications. I use G751 or Ectotherm and both are still relevant today with TIM like ThermoGrizzly available. I've tried that stuff, and while many many many more people have nothing but high praise for it, my experience with it was not a good one. I couldn't get more than 1 application out of it and that first one, wouldn't push out of the tube easily at all. While at least CM paste does what it's meant to do and for much cheaper. I did actually purchase a 3g tube of Ecto last February so I have more than enough for my needs and it should last me for the rest of the year due to my application process.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post
I'm not sure why people keep hyping this cooler, sure its fine to keep around as a back-up, but its no longer relevant if you're buying new.



The only thing all these kinds of threads are doing is causing new builders to keep buying 212's, while there are much better coolers in the same price range nowadays.
What do you get to be much better at the price point of a 212? In a case well configured it can handle pretty much of a beating even mildly overclocking top consumer CPUs with normal temps.

If ryzen 3000 is what i expect it to be, coolers like 212 will regain a lot of relevance back again.

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I think they're the best cooler on the market dollar for dollar. I had one for a couple years and ran it on a FX-8150 and it handled it up to 4.2 Ghz which was pretty impressive considering it was less than $30.

No they're not as good as higher end models but for unde $30, you can't beat em.
They aren't under $30.



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What do you get to be much better at the price point of a 212? In a case well configured it can handle pretty much of a beating even mildly overclocking top consumer CPUs with normal temps.

If ryzen 3000 is what i expect it to be, coolers like 212 will regain a lot of relevance back again.

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I doubt many will rush to buy a 212 to replace the Wraith cooler...unless they don't have coolers this time?
Even if they don't I'm not sure why you'd want a 212 over a Cryorig H7 or True Spirit 140 Direct and the more expensive but D14 equivalent True Spirit 140 Power

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Anyone still buying CM Hyper EVO 212 for over $30-$35 when you can get the DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400 when on sale for $17 shipped (normally $22-$25) at times is not really keeping up with the times, lol

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They aren't under $30.

I doubt many will rush to buy a 212 to replace the Wraith cooler...unless they don't have coolers this time?
Even if they don't I'm not sure why you'd want a 212 over a Cryorig H7 or True Spirit 140 Direct and the more expensive but D14 equivalent True Spirit 140 Power
Because those coolers are not always available or at the 30 bucks mark. Also the h7 is very, very slightly better, not much better and the true spirit 140 it's not in the same class, nor by price or performance. It's a much, much better cooler than more often than not, costs double.

Because you're wrong. The 212 it's still better than a 2700x cooler at less than half the RPM. And it's vertical, which means in airflow cases scales like crazy in performance (this is not theory, it's just current present situation in my home). Keeps my 2600 stock so low that barely reaches 50°C in gaming with 20°C room temp. Usually it goes around 46-47°C, and all my fans, cooler included run around 700rpm. It scales almost linearly with the RPM from the front intakes.
I had it on a 1800x at 3.95ghz with 1.38v+ in a define S+3nf A14 front intakes, running at 1200 rpm, and in prime95 small fft was getting 74-76°C. Room temperature 20°C~.

It's not gonna win any prize, but it's a damn good cooler at 30 bucks. The best.

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Cryorig H7 was cheaper than the 212, so even if it only performed on par with the 212 it'd still be the better buy.

Unfortunately the H7 is EOL (AFAIK) and the only place in the US where it's still in stock is for >$100.

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Because those coolers are not always available or at the 30 bucks mark. Also the h7 is very, very slightly better, not much better and the true spirit 140 it's not in the same class, nor by price or performance. It's a much, much better cooler than more often than not, costs double.

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It's a $6 difference between the 212 and the 140 direct on Newegg
The only reason I used those coolers as an example is becasue they're well known.
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Better is better, an H7 can cool as much a 5c better than a 212 on something as lite as a 4790k with only 1.3v, that gap would get much larger if you add more power. Plus the 212 feels like flimsy piece of crap, that was my first impression of it.

What sort of argument was that anyway? You're going to buy a lower quality cooler with worse performance to save $3-5? The gammaxx is equal quality for $20 and the PureRock is better in every way for the same money.

Ignoring the H7 entirely there are still a pile of coolers better than a 212 for about the same price or as good for less. If they sold the 212 for $20 again that would be different.

You can still buy the H7 direct from Cryorig on Newegg FYI...if you don't want to wait on that it's not like you're starved for choices.


Scales like crazy in performance? What does that even mean? More vertical = more TDP? I guess vertical works if you don't have a GPU...or don't care that the CPU or GPU are cuddling for warmth. The 212 can't compete with the stock wraith cooler for PPD, since the wraith is free it has infinite PPD. Also you can get a 212 equivalent for $20 so it's moot from every angle.

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