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post #21 of 83 (permalink) Old 04-20-2019, 07:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Owterspace View Post
But they aren't under $30 any more, they are 35 now, looks like you can get a refurb for 22. It had a hard time with my x5690 at 4ghz. I still stick with it being marginally better than a 970-990 stock cooler [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Been a while since I shopped for them so my bad for assuming they were still $29.99 and below. That said, they're $30 on Amazon right now and $34 with a $10 mail in rebate on Newegg so still pretty close.

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Either you didn't mention it or maybe I missed it, but did you try to clean and apply fresh TIM to the socket before changing out to the 212?



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The TIM was not that old... a month or slightly more. The H115i was acting up so I swapped it to the 212 a little while back but decided to give the Corsair another go... new TIM, double checked the mounting, software... yada yada yada. It was doing great and all of the sudden last night it wanted to just not cool anything. It was working but it was like ehhh i don't feel like being up to the task if you push your CPU past idle lol. I am going to purchase the Corsair H150 RGB pro thing and see how it likes this overclock. If it acts a fool like the H115i then this build will stay on air while I build a "Modern AMD Gaming" computer and EK or Alphacool the crap out of it. As for other air coolers, I never tried anything other than the 212. I am willing to bet there is better out there... I just happen to have 3 laying around.
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The TIM was not that old... a month or slightly more. The H115i was acting up so I swapped it to the 212 a little while back but decided to give the Corsair another go... new TIM, double checked the mounting, software... yada yada yada. It was doing great and all of the sudden last night it wanted to just not cool anything. It was working but it was like ehhh i don't feel like being up to the task if you push your CPU past idle lol. I am going to purchase the Corsair H150 RGB pro thing and see how it likes this overclock. If it acts a fool like the H115i then this build will stay on air while I build a "Modern AMD Gaming" computer and EK or Alphacool the crap out of it. As for other air coolers, I never tried anything other than the 212. I am willing to bet there is better out there... I just happen to have 3 laying around.
For sure there are better air coolers out there.

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There is a broad list of better. But you're also spending big $$$ for them. By big $$$ I am talking about $60+. The ones that are in the size range of a 212 are pretty much the same, performance-wise. And they cost more. As I said, I just bought mine @ Newegg. Cost me $30 brand new. I already had it in my cart when they were on sale for $19.99 but by time I pulled the trigger on my entire order, they went off sale so I spent the whole monty while saving elsewheres. Arctic Cool is pretty much the same and those cost more. Prolimatech coolers that cost the same? No fans. Direct from Prolimatech. Noctua? FOGEDDABOUDIT! No BeQuiet was even listed at the Egg. Pretty sure you can find those at the Zon.

So yeah there are better ones. But I put one of my Vardar fans on my 212(going to be using it anyway when Black Snow gets it's new crib) since I already had it. The stock fans work well but they are a touch on the loud side for my tastes so I simply swapped it out and it waits in the box for when I may possibly need it. I would say that for the most part the difference between the low end big brand and the 212, comes right down to the fan(s) that come with them. My current temp is 34*c simply browsing and watching YouTube. I live in the NorthWest and it's 58*c outside. That's not bad at all. I game mostly. If I were Folding right now I am pretty sure that it would probably match Delta. But only the CPU fan is running on the MB at the moment so I'm not Folding. Not even as my usual stressor. Although I have put it to R20 a few times for both SC and not one time did I see it struggle due to temperature issues.

I will likely run a 3Dmark test soon, just to push the chip a bit harder than R20 does. I am running an 1800x after all and R20 is geared more towards benching RAM speed first and CPU 2nd. Kind of neck and neck really, but RAM gets more of the workload than CPU.

Here's a look at most of my order that I got at the doorstep by the 20th of February.

And as far as 4790k cooling? I built a client build using the 212 EVO and a couple of 35mm Sankyos hanging off it. It spresides in a metal trailer. Client spends his time Twitch streaming on a 1070 Ti and he's not once said anything about his CPU running too hot. That CPU isn't even delidded. I had the Sankyos already and only charged him the price of the 212 EVO for the whole thing.

With the big name brands, you pay first for the fans that come with them, 2nd for the name and 3rd for the heatsink which come mostly with Aluminum cooling surfaces in many cases. The newer 212 EVO I just got has Copper touching copper pipes encased with Aluminum on the sides. I cannot complain about that.

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As of April 12th this year, I stopped smoking a year ago. Since April 12th of this year I have been putting $5.50 a day into my savings... the cost of that pack of smokes I bought everyday. As I piece together my new computer I will be saving and on April 12th next year those savings will go into the latest and greatest available graphics card at that time... should be fun. No Hyper 212 gonna be in that build though.
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It's a $6 difference between the 212 and the 140 direct on Newegg
The only reason I used those coolers as an example is becasue they're well known.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...ernatives.html

Better is better, an H7 can cool as much a 5c better than a 212 on something as lite as a 4790k with only 1.3v, that gap would get much larger if you add more power. Plus the 212 feels like flimsy piece of crap, that was my first impression of it.

What sort of argument was that anyway? You're going to buy a lower quality cooler with worse performance to save $3-5? The gammaxx is equal quality for $20 and the PureRock is better in every way for the same money.

Ignoring the H7 entirely there are still a pile of coolers better than a 212 for about the same price or as good for less. If they sold the 212 for $20 again that would be different.

You can still buy the H7 direct from Cryorig on Newegg FYI...if you don't want to wait on that it's not like you're starved for choices.


Scales like crazy in performance? What does that even mean? More vertical = more TDP? I guess vertical works if you don't have a GPU...or don't care that the CPU or GPU are cuddling for warmth. The 212 can't compete with the stock wraith cooler for PPD, since the wraith is free it has infinite PPD. Also you can get a 212 equivalent for $20 so it's moot from every angle.
You're talking about specific cases. Have you checked the prices and availability in Europe? Or Asia? South America?

Also idk from where you're pulling data, but from everything you said, im pretty sure, you don't have the most remote idea of how airflow works, and you watch/read test bench reviews that in 90% of the cases they don't even know to measure the air temperature, or/and you're generalising some specific experiences (yours or some1 else's) with specific conditions, and take it as an absolute truth. So GL bro, I'm done here.

Doyll has a nice thread called, "ways to better cooling". Go read that untill you understand how things work.

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What do you get to be much better at the price point of a 212? In a case well configured it can handle pretty much of a beating even mildly overclocking top consumer CPUs with normal temps.

If ryzen 3000 is what i expect it to be, coolers like 212 will regain a lot of relevance back again.

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I'm not sure where you live, but over here:
  • The Raijintek Themis Evo is cheaper and performs about the same.
  • The Arctic Freezer 34 is cheaper and performas about the same
  • The be quiet! Pure Rock, is cheaper, quieter, performs similarly and is way better looking.

And you can get way better coolers if you're willing to spend just a few bucks more.
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You're talking about specific cases. Have you checked the prices and availability in Europe? Or Asia? South America?

Also idk from where you're pulling data, but from everything you said, im pretty sure, you don't have the most remote idea of how airflow works, and you watch/read test bench reviews that in 90% of the cases they don't even know to measure the air temperature, or/and you're generalising some specific experiences (yours or some1 else's) with specific conditions, and take it as an absolute truth. So GL bro, I'm done here.

Doyll has a nice thread called, "ways to better cooling". Go read that untill you understand how things work.
Yes, specific cases...as opposed to what? General cases? Wouldn't that just be an assumption?



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Never heard of him ...but you can be pretty sure about me all you want. More vertical doesn't mean your 212 is suddenly able to dissipate more heat, I think you might have misunderstood something in that thread. Getting heat out as quickly as it's created is all there is to it and each case will have ideal fan positions to amke that happen and even instances where more RPM is a bad thing, it's not some magic that only you and Doyll understand (no offense Doyll)...I literally re-work and pitch propellers for a living. The study of air flow is the study of fluid dynamics so in essence 120" water fans is my job. The other part of cooling is not running your GPU heat through your CPU cooler, a 1c rise in intake is almost exactly 1c higher core temps. Vertical or horizontal is totally case specific, there's no vertical cooler scaling magic that the 212 has that a similar cooler wouldn't.
None of that is relevant though, not to this.

The 212 is meh, there are better options. I'm not considering obscure destinations, the pricing I was posting was in USD and the link I posted was primarily European becasue I knew you'd go there despite not specifying a country in which you are correct. If you'd bothered to even look you'd see the same thing. I'm not a sales wizard making up prices, I used Google, Newegg and Amazon to verify my prices, we've all been watching the 212 gradually become a cooler of yesterday as better or cheaper alternatives came along. Since you like to name drop like you wrote his thread, Doyll was the one who told me about the TS140s in the first place with the "power" being the best of them.
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Obviously I'm not checking prices everywhere, I'm merely suggesting coolers that are within about 5% of a 212 and better or cheaper for less money. The Pure Rock is probably the best 212 replacement since it's the same price and better in every way wile also being available everywhere, the H7 may or may not fit that outline anymore for everyone but I found one pretty cheap shipped to the US. The point is that there are better coolers out there, it's pretty futile to say that the 212 is the best of anything when cheaper coolers are as good and similarly priced ones are better.


The only reason I even have a 212 instead of an H7 or a PureRock is becasue all over the internet you'll see people parroting that it's the best PPD cooler when that's simply not true anymore, hasen't been since before I bought mine.

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While the 212 isn't garbage, I personally think it is a super mediocre cooler. Couldn't keep my 760 @ 4ghz with decent temps. The wraith spire/prism seemed to have similar/better temps than the 212+ I was using with them did. Sure compared to sub-$20 heatsinks/intel stock coolers, it isn't too bad; but anything at the same price point/within $10 or so seems to be a lot better than it. Got a Scythe FUMA for <$45 on Amazon (twice), which is a much better cooler than the 212 (in addition to the coolers others have mentioned). It works decently as a temp/backup cooler, just wish the mounting system was better...

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With the big name brands, you pay first for the fans that come with them, 2nd for the name and 3rd for the heatsink which come mostly with Aluminum cooling surfaces in many cases.

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While the 212 Evo is not a bad cooler its ancient and its overrated and overhyped with many coolers in the same price range being newer better and more quiet
Its almost never worth buying and it has not been worth buying for a while so dont buy one and please stop hyping it

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