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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
TRUE Spirit 140 Direct is 161.2mm tall. Fan is 141x141mm. Should fit nicely in FT03.
Don't know about the True 140 Direct , that would be good/great but I'm only cooling down a 3400G at this point in time hence the 120 Direct should be more than enough for that task. Also it's lower height means ease of fitment without any problems.

Also found how many cables reside inside that area around the iTX motherboard which is a pain to make neat and remove it from the mainstream air cooling direction of the placed internal 120mm fans.

This time next year, shall be looking at something to cool the 3800x series, when current CPU pricing drops down a little (here in the 3rd World).
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Don't know about the True 140 Direct , that would be good/great but I'm only cooling down a 3400G at this point in time hence the 120 Direct should be more than enough for that task. Also it's lower height means ease of fitment without any problems.

Also found how many cables reside inside that area around the iTX motherboard which is a pain to make neat and remove it from the mainstream air cooling direction of the placed internal 120mm fans.

This time next year, shall be looking at something to cool the 3800x series, when current CPU pricing drops down a little (here in the 3rd World).
My mistake. TRUe Spirit 120 Direct is 141.35 tall. It's a good little cooler.

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My mistake. TRUe Spirit 120 Direct is 141.35 tall. It's a good little cooler.
It's the ONLY 120mm cooler (taking 120mm fans) that has a low 141mm in height.

Even the Noctua range of tower coolers all share that same 158mm height ceiling, which put's them outside the FT03 range for air-coolers.

Shame that Noctua seem addicted to ultra low coolers instead of going the 140mm height range. That is why we are still fortunate to have Thermalright here, to save us poor small case addicts .
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Alpenfohn Ben Nevis (3x6mm heatpipes, 120mm fan), and Thermaltake Frio Silent 12 (3x8mm heatpipes, 120mm fan) are both 140mm in height as well, and there's also the SilentiumPC Spartan 3 Pro 135mm height (4x6mm heatpipes, 100mm fan, with a fan that's at least visually a knock-off of Thermalright fans xD).

There's also the new Raijintek Delos RBW Rainbow RGB 136mm height (92mm fans, though how good those little fans are idk, it does however have 6x6mm heatpipes and decent mass and surface area, which makes it a good alternative to the other double tower 92mm Alpenfohn Atlas).

Though i agree that the True Spirit 120 is the best option, at least until Thermalright finally releases Silver Arrow 130 into the world (with soldered heatpipes, ...).

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I am raising similar questions here. Are those mid range air coolers enough for a 3900X? Probably yes. Even noctua says so. But at what RPM, and noise?

Going to buy a 3900X in my Air 240, wich has 130mm cooler clearance.

Now, the best coolers in 130mm heigt are the NH-U9S, NH-C14S, and the Dark Rock TF. Reviews show, that among these 3, the best one is the NH-U9S witch 2x92mm fans. By some 2-3°C unter full load. Both top blowers perform a bit worse, but the NH-C14S can sometimes come near the NH-U9S, especially when we look at noise/performance ratio.

Yes, i also tought about getting an AIO, but i have had bad experience with already 3 of them, had to RMA all, so i dont really want them. I found my NH-U9S to be extremely reliable, is running without problems since 4 years in 24/7 on my 6700k.
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I am raising similar questions here. Are those mid range air coolers enough for a 3900X? Probably yes. Even noctua says so. But at what RPM, and noise?

Going to buy a 3900X in my Air 240, wich has 130mm cooler clearance.

Now, the best coolers in 130mm heigt are the NH-U9S, NH-C14S, and the Dark Rock TF. Reviews show, that among these 3, the best one is the NH-U9S witch 2x92mm fans. By some 2-3°C unter full load. Both top blowers perform a bit worse, but the NH-C14S can sometimes come near the NH-U9S, especially when we look at noise/performance ratio.

Yes, i also tought about getting an AIO, but i have had bad experience with already 3 of them, had to RMA all, so i dont really want them. I found my NH-U9S to be extremely reliable, is running without problems since 4 years in 24/7 on my 6700k.
I agree with not going the AIO route .. although most AIOs are really CLCs .. the facftory sealed ones with no provision for anything when they have problems.

3900X is 105w TDP isn't a lot so doesn't need a massive cooler. But Corsair said Air 240 has 120mm CPU clearance. That makes it hard to find a cooler that will cool well without being loud. Maybe something like Thermalright AXP-200 with a TY-147A fan instead of the thin TY-14013 they come with. But with your small motherboard I don't know if it will fit. between components.

Have you considered getting a case that will accept a normal height cooler?

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I agree with not going the AIO route .. although most AIOs are really CLCs .. the facftory sealed ones with no provision for anything when they have problems.

3900X is 105w TDP isn't a lot so doesn't need a massive cooler. But Corsair said Air 240 has 120mm CPU clearance. That makes it hard to find a cooler that will cool well without being loud. Maybe something like Thermalright AXP-200 with a TY-147A fan instead of the thin TY-14013 they come with. But with your small motherboard I don't know if it will fit. between components.

Have you considered getting a case that will accept a normal height cooler?
Its 130mm actually. I know, because i have the U9S right now in too, wich is 124mm tall, and still has some 5-6mm space above.
We already reported this to corsair years ago, but they still didnt correct the specs on the website...
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All you need is a decent cooler with heatpipes over the dies.

Thermalright, Scythe, etc. to look at.

Paste application? Mambo jumbo no effect, just apply enough paste and spread it everywhere to be sure the whole IHS gets covered. Too little is worse than too much because with too much it will get pushed out, with too little you get poor contact.
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusH View Post
I am raising similar questions here. Are those mid range air coolers enough for a 3900X? Probably yes. Even noctua says so. But at what RPM, and noise?

Going to buy a 3900X in my Air 240, wich has 130mm cooler clearance.

Now, the best coolers in 130mm heigt are the NH-U9S, NH-C14S, and the Dark Rock TF. Reviews show, that among these 3, the best one is the NH-U9S witch 2x92mm fans. By some 2-3°C unter full load. Both top blowers perform a bit worse, but the NH-C14S can sometimes come near the NH-U9S, especially when we look at noise/performance ratio.

Yes, i also tought about getting an AIO, but i have had bad experience with already 3 of them, had to RMA all, so i dont really want them. I found my NH-U9S to be extremely reliable, is running without problems since 4 years in 24/7 on my 6700k.
doesn't seem to be much difference in frequency using an AIO over an air cooler. It will run a bit toasty though which could affect your graphics card.
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Its 130mm actually. I know, because i have the U9S right now in too, wich is 124mm tall, and still has some 5-6mm space above.
We already reported this to corsair years ago, but they still didnt correct the specs on the website...
Not many tower coolers 130mm or less in height. NH-U9S is one of the best short coolers.

You could use a pancake/flat cooler, but they do not keep their heated exhaust away from cool intake air as well .. especially if their fan is pushing air toward mobo. When it does heats up going through cooler, hits mobo turning out, hits RAM, GPU, etc and turns up along side of cooer and fan where fan pulls it back into cooler. This reuse of heated air can cause CPU to be 8-10c hotter than if fan is turned over to pull air away from motherboard. Your case has venting over CPU, so maybe a flat cooler would work better. Maybe something like AXP-200, but be careful to make sure it will clear all motherboard components, RAM and GPU.

Have you considered getting a case with more CPU clearance?

As for TIM application, IHS is not really a heat spreader but a support base for coolers. The CPU die is only a faction the size of IHS and IHS is so thin it is not spreading heat laterally from CPU die. I generally use a rice size dob in middle of CPU that spreads in a circle just reaching sides of IHS. TIM is supposed to fill imperfections in surfaces, not being a layer between IHS and cooler base. Copper heat transfer rate is about 400W/m K, TIM is only 3-13W/m K. So the more metal to metal contact the better. So you can see how a layer of TIM will greatly reduce heat transfer compared to TIM just filling voids where there is no metal to metal contact.

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