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post #71 of 84 (permalink) Old 08-11-2019, 10:41 AM
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@ doyll, it wouldn't matter but it's probably room temp for all coolers (it's open air , see the thread). The theoretical limit was 240W for the 6 heatpipes on the NH-D15. By running a 240W power limit you already know what is going to happen , it's going to be at its limits of cooling.
As I was asking ArmageddonAsh his air temps during his testing, are you saying his system is open air?



Even if it is, I do not agree it makes no difference. All of my testing is is done on open bench test station. The air temp around bench after a few minutes of testing at full load is a few degrees warmer than rest of room. After running a few back to back load runs the temp directly in front of cooler fan is easily be 3-4c warmer than elsewhere in room. After all, all the heat coming off of PSU, CPU cooler, lighting, even my body, etc is warming up that area of room more than elsewhere. It's the reason all cooler testing should be recording air temperature going into cooler at same time CPU temp is recorded. If it's not done, the margin of error jumps dramatically form +/-1c or less up to +/-3c .. that's for less than 2c possible difference up to easily 6c possible difference.

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It's not half as much the cooling system as it is the paste. You get what you pay for. If spending $2-3 more per build on the best paste (10C better cooling than the next best paste). Themal Grizzly Kryonaut is the way to go.

I have used only AIO's for the last dozen builds. My 9900K is O'clocked at 5.2GHz and I game at below 45C.

I am happy with my Cryorig A80 which has a fan on top to blow on the VRM's and chipsets. That is the only downside to AIO's
IMHO. I build for silent gaming and all my AIO's have been inaudible while gaming.
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Quote: Originally Posted by jasper34 View Post
It's not half as much the cooling system as it is the paste. You get what you pay for. If spending $2-3 more per build on the best paste (10C better cooling than the next best paste). Themal Grizzly Kryonaut is the way to go.

I have used only AIO's for the last dozen builds. My 9900K is O'clocked at 5.2GHz and I game at below 45C.


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With an ATX system there really isnt many reasons to use an AIO when theres plenty of space to fit something like the NH-14S. ITX systems and smaller mATX builds may need the extra space around the CPU socket area but if you're using a large case, the only valid reason to go with an AIO is Aesthetics.

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I'm a big Hyper 212 fanboy. $25 and done. Better than a stock heatsink, quiet, doesn't cost $100, and will never ever leak.

Then again I tend to let PBO do my overclocking for me nowadays. Spending a week pushing to get an extra 100mhz doesn't really matter when all I play is Civ...

I am not the target audience for this thread I guess.

edit - I tend to keep them forever too. I still have some 10+ years old.. my old Phenom II 955 is long gone, but the heatsink remains... on my plex server's R1700


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Quote: Originally Posted by burticus View Post
I'm a big Hyper 212 fanboy. $25 and done. Better than a stock heatsink, quiet, doesn't cost $100, and will never ever leak.

Then again I tend to let PBO do my overclocking for me nowadays. Spending a week pushing to get an extra 100mhz doesn't really matter when all I play is Civ...

I am not the target audience for this thread I guess.
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That really is the only reasonable reaction there.....

Yeah....the little girl hentai avatar is really creeping me out....
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Quote: Originally Posted by burticus View Post
I'm a big Hyper 212 fanboy. $25 and done. Better than a stock heatsink, quiet, doesn't cost $100, and will never ever leak.

Then again I tend to let PBO do my overclocking for me nowadays. Spending a week pushing to get an extra 100mhz doesn't really matter when all I play is Civ...

I am not the target audience for this thread I guess.

edit - I tend to keep them forever too. I still have some 10+ years old.. my old Phenom II 955 is long gone, but the heatsink remains... on my plex server's R1700

only issue with the 212 is that it's ancient, it still does a good enough job though. It was a steal in 2007 when you could get one for under $20 at times but now it's doubled in price and there's better alternatives for the $

a lot here on OCN aren't fans of AIOs for the same (logical) reasons you gave, but most of them bash AIOs for not cooling well/being loud when the majority of them haven't used an AIO made in the past ~decade


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That really is the only reasonable reaction there.....

maybe he forgot to mention he had 7 cores disabled

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a lot here on OCN aren't fans of AIOs for the same (logical) reasons you gave, but most of them bash AIOs for not cooling well/being loud when the majority of them haven't used an AIO made in the past ~decade
Well, they really haven't missed much in the last 6+ years with CLCs, though AIOs are obviously an entirely different matter. I started testing and reviewing CLCs with the CoolIt ECO (which CoolIt swore to me would be on par with a D14, how funny is that?), and have had at least one of every gen since, though typically a multitude of each gen. The fact of the matter is, in the last six years the included fans (and fans in general) have been better, and better suited to the application, but the units themselves really haven't improved in terms of performance. Take an NZXT X60 from 2013 (provided it still has enough liquid in it) and a new Asetek 280mm with the branding of your choice, put the same fans on them, and the results will be very close to identical. That pretty much goes across the board.

AIOs on the other hand....well, we have seen some nice things happen there along with some real head scratchers.


Quote: Originally Posted by jasper34 View Post
It's not half as much the cooling system as it is the paste. You get what you pay for. If spending $2-3 more per build on the best paste (10C better cooling than the next best paste). Themal Grizzly Kryonaut is the way to go.

I have used only AIO's for the last dozen builds. My 9900K is O'clocked at 5.2GHz and I game at below 45C.
10C cooler? Really? So, it outperforms Liquid Ultra by a wide margin? Did you get a magic tube of Kryonaut? Or did you accidentally add a zero and meant to say a realistic 1C?
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What ciarlatano said above.

In last many years the biggest changes in CLCs is different fans and adding RGB.

Same goes for 10c better TIM claims. As ciarlatano pointed out, independent testing simple simple does not support these claims.

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