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Which Thermal paste, help

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I am going to get a 3900x and using a bequiet dark pro 4 Heatsink and would like to know what is a good paste.

I did some reading and it seems to between the Noctua NT-H1 or MX-4 but wanted the best temps i can get.

I have read that there is now a HT-H2 paste but not to sure on this one

would be great if you could let me know what your thoughts on this

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I used the mx-4 on my 5820k and it worked great! Currently I use the thermal grizzly kronaut for my 3900x and my idles are between 25-30C and my highest while heavy gaming was 65C. Sorry to add more choices to the mix.

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I stick with noctua
Did finally get some of the new nt-h2 put it on my gpu's since I broke down my systems but haven't really used it on cpu's yet or pushed the system hard yet either
But price performance is tough to beat even with older nt-h1 compared to others 1c apart is not really worth paying 2-3x more for thermal grizzly...

I'd frankly be more focused on blocks seeing the new 3000 series is very different layout.

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Hi all thanks, I have been reading up and found out two things

1 NT-H1 suffers from somthing called pump-out effect but not to sure what that is yet and not to sure if the NT-H2 has this.
2 Kryonaut abrasive?? and can damage your CPU and Heatsink as i have read they have poor quality control, link https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...sive.18827970/

I used to use MX-2 i think and have tried AS5 but that was 10 years ago and was not to sure if there is anything better as it seems to boil down to these 3 HT-H1, MX4 & kryonaut. I just wnat to use the best for the cpu none conductive as i dont trust myself, lol this is to place a dark rock pro 4 to a 3900x
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Quote: Originally Posted by meridius View Post
Hi all

I am going to get a 3900x and using a bequiet dark pro 4 Heatsink and would like to know what is a good paste.

I did some reading and it seems to between the Noctua NT-H1 or MX-4 but wanted the best temps i can get.

I have read that there is now a HT-H2 paste but not to sure on this one

would be great if you could let me know what your thoughts on this

thanks
I am not sure about that link with the Kryonaut. MX-4 is good paste, we used to buy it buy the Jar, but when Kryonaut came out after a week of testing, the Delta was so much that I switched us over completely. I am responsible for over 75 business' PC's and Servers, not all of them have been opened up, but every single new PC, or any PC that has had an issue since the client became my client, I test, and always change out the Thermal Paste to Kryonaut. The difference between it and MX4 isn't so huge that you should just stop using MX4, but depending on how hot you run your system it can be the difference of about 5 degrees (we are talking 200watts plus through just the CPU when seeing that kind of difference though.) So if you are comfortable with MX4 then go for it, you really won't notice a difference anyway as long as what you are using is quality paste. That said, I have been using Kryonaut exclusively in my own Rigs and my clients rigs since 2017, and not yet have I had one Thermal Paste related issue. Thats not long enough for me to say that in 5 years you won't have a problem, but I can definitely say that within 2 to 3 years you are highly unlikely to see these quality control issues. Before I had a direct contact at Thermal Grizzly I bought our paste in the 10mL tubes on Amazon, and we go through that about Once a month, some months we went through more, so we had a lot of different packages, and not once I have I seen any type of variance that led to a problem.

Simply put, if you plan on pushing your Ryzen to the absolute max, you want every advantage you can get, and I am 100 Percent confident in saying you will get that from Kryonaut. If you got MX 4 I seriously doubt it would be enough to effect your max sustained frequency, but it could be enough to add a degree or 2 between what you would get with Kryonaut, at the end of the day does that make a difference, probably not, but either way I wouldn't be afraid to use it.

Which ever you choose, between MX 4, NT-H1, or Kryonaut, you will have a good experience.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
I stick with noctua
Did finally get some of the new nt-h2 put it on my gpu's since I broke down my systems but haven't really used it on cpu's yet or pushed the system hard yet either
But price performance is tough to beat even with older nt-h1 compared to others 1c apart is not really worth paying 2-3x more for thermal grizzly...

I'd frankly be more focused on blocks seeing the new 3000 series is very different layout.
I definitely would echo this sentiment about the Blocks. I have a 3900x, and I use Kryonaut and I am still getting messed up Temps. I have tubes coming out of my ass of Kryonaut, Hydronaut, MX-4, Arctic Silver 5, and a Tube of NT-H1 that I have had for quite some time. I have seated and reseated this block so many times, and have tried every single one of those pastes, and I am pretty sure because of the block, it didn't make a damn difference, with Prime 95 Small FFTs and 1.275v, I hit 110c and Thermal Reboot within 4 Seconds of starting the test. So I wouldn't worry so much about the paste, I would make sure to get you the best cooler you can get, and just stick with One of those 3 Pastes, and you will be fine. (I have never tried the Newer NT-H2, so I can't speak to that, but I am sure its good too.

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HI, thanks for getting back to me i forgot to tell you what i am going to use, I am going for a 3900x with a bequiet dark rock pro 4

I have been reading up and the NT-H1 suffers from somthing called pump-out effect have no clue what that is yet, whats your take on this. Do the other pastes suffer from this or do i not have to worrie about this. When you say block do you mean water block ? if so not wanting to use that system as i have a dark rock pro 4 sitting on my bench waiting to be used.

what it seems to boil down to in reviews is best from top to bottom

1. Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut this is not conductive is it ? how long does it last. ?
2. Gelid Solutions GC Extreme this is not conductive is it, never herd of this paste before.
3. NT-H1 or H2
4. MX-4

But it seems from top to bottom there is 2-3 degrees difference which is not alot of difference. Are they all the same for applying to the CPU as it seems spreading the whole Cpu before putting on the Heatrsink is best bet. still not to sure about Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut as i have herd different things like its easy to put on and otheres have said its to thick and hard to appliy and others like the link i gave you said there was a bad batch and damages the CPU and heatsink finish.

the think is this link whihc has the problems are the UK (Distributor) and if they have problems thats not good
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...sive.18827970/

dont want to keep redoing the past as i have had mine on my pc for 10 years now

thanks

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HI, thanks for getting back to me i forgot to tell you what i am going to use, I am going for a 3900x with a bequiet dark rock pro 4

I have been reading up and the NT-H1 suffers from somthing called pump-out effect have no clue what that is yet, whats your take on this. Do the other pastes suffer from this or do i not have to worrie about this. When you say block do you mean water block ? if so not wanting to use that system as i have a dark rock pro 4 sitting on my bench waiting to be used.

what it seems to boil down to in reviews is best from top to bottom

1. Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut this is not conductive is it ? how long does it last. ?
2. Gelid Solutions GC Extreme this is not conductive is it, never herd of this paste before.
3. NT-H1 or H2
4. MX-4

But it seems from top to bottom there is 2-3 degrees difference which is not alot of difference. Are they all the same for applying to the CPU as it seems spreading the whole Cpu before putting on the Heatrsink is best bet. still not to sure about Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut as i have herd different things like its easy to put on and otheres have said its to thick and hard to appliy and others like the link i gave you said there was a bad batch and damages the CPU and heatsink finish.

the think is this link whihc has the problems are the UK (Distributor) and if they have problems thats not good
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...sive.18827970/

dont want to keep redoing the past as i have had mine on my pc for 10 years now

thanks
Kryonaut is a non conductive non curing compound, which means you can set it and forget it, and then switch it out in about a year and a half to 2 years or more, this is due to the Pump out Effect. All High Performance Pastes suffer from the Pump out effect, but again, as long as you change your paste about once every other year, you really don't have to worry about it. Pump out effect is simply this; when a die has Thermal Paste on it, and this Die, lets say your CPU in this case, heats ups the thermal compound expands, and then when the die cools off, the thermal paste contracts. This in and of itself isn't an issue, but once you have thousands of thermal cycles, where the paste has been heated and then cooled off again, at some point the paste will be squeezed off the die, until eventually when there is none left between the Cold Plate and the Die. This is really more of a problem on something like a GPU or a Laptop, where the thermal paste is applied directly to the die and cold plate, but it can happen on your CPU as well. For GPU's I recommend changing pastes Once every Year, and for CPU's Once every 2 years is fine. If you go with a lower performing paste that is less liquidy, something like Hydronaut, then this is much less of an issue, but you will get better performance with a paste like Kryonaut, so as long as you can clean off the paste and reapply it about once every 2 years, then there is really nothing to worry about. I hope this helps.

And I missed that you were using the Dark Rock Pro, thats a good cooler, Throw some Kryonaut on it, and forget about it (until August 2021, lol).

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