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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-29-2019, 05:37 AM - Thread Starter
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Carbide 500R air flow, more fans?

I have a Corsair Carbide Series™ 500R Mid-Tower Case with package standard fans. 2 x White light front, big side door and one in the back upper side(only exhaust fan).
https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/Catego...W#tab-overview
The 2 white light in the front are somehow clotted off/blocked by disks trays and the big one on the side, even if it brings air in, I am not sure if it is enough. I have one small SSD and 3 HDD's.
Do you suggest to add more fans for better air flow? upper case side has 2 free slots also I think there is one more slot in the back for air exit.
And if answer is yes ... add more, which brand and model?

Exception from the rig in signature ... one TS140P is on order, arriving somewhere next month.

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I think the front of 5.25" drive bays is same grill as lower front. It lines up with CPU cooler so a 140/120mm fan in these bays to improve case airflow.

Remove all PCie back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU. Even if they are vented covers they will limit airflow to less than half what will flow with them removed.

I suggest you read 'Ways to Better Cooling' in link below to help understand case airflow and how to get the most out of it:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319249-post5.html

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Thanks for the tips. I began reading the thread you recommended, but I have a follow up question: which fan brand and model would you suggest? I guess what you have on your system are the default fans coming with the case.
Also reading 'Ways to Better Cooling' thread got me the idea to buy a 3 pin(current default case fans) to 4 pin adapter/connector. I have enough motherboard connectors to fit almost all. Not sure if a splitter with both 3 pins and 4 pins exists, to control everything from the CPU fan ...

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Quote: Originally Posted by Cosminnn View Post
Thanks for the tips. I began reading the thread you recommended, but I have a follow up question: which fan brand and model would you suggest? I guess what you have on your system are the default fans coming with the case.
Also reading 'Ways to Better Cooling' thread got me the idea to buy a 3 pin(current default case fans) to 4 pin adapter/connector. I have enough motherboard connectors to fit almost all. Not sure if a splitter with both 3 pins and 4 pins exists, to control everything from the CPU fan ...
You don't need to read whole thread. The post link is to about airflow and how to optimize it cover most important bits about case airflow.
I like Phanteks PH-F120MP and PH-F140MP fans because the are quite good and not too expensive. Best fans are be quiet! Silent Wings 3 but they are very expensive and not a lot better than the Phanteks ones. People who have got Arctic P series fans say they are good, but I have seen no in depth testing or talked to anyone who has used good fans like I listed who has compared P series to top tier fans, and as I haven't tried them I can only say others think they are good fans with low prices.

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
People who have got Arctic P series fans say they are good, but I have seen no in depth testing or talked to anyone who has used good fans like I listed who has compared P series to top tier fans, and as I haven't tried them I can only say others think they are good fans with low prices.
I finally broke down and tried a pair of P14s as intakes on my EVOLV ATX. I had to run them at higher noise levels than the F140MP to get the same temps. They didn't work out for my application, and they are definitely cheap feeling compared to the F140MP.

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
You don't need to read whole thread. The post link is to about airflow and how to optimize it cover most important bits about case airflow.
I like Phanteks PH-F120MP and PH-F140MP fans because the are quite good and not too expensive. Best fans are be quiet! Silent Wings 3 but they are very expensive and not a lot better than the Phanteks ones. People who have got Arctic P series fans say they are good, but I have seen no in depth testing or talked to anyone who has used good fans like I listed who has compared P series to top tier fans, and as I haven't tried them I can only say others think they are good fans with low prices.
I am reading the topics in the summary ... case air flow, splitters/connectors, thermal paste. Very informative. Again ... Thanks !!!
Related to Corsair 500R case ... the white fans ( 2 in front and 1 huge on the side) have a proprietary 3 pin connector and can not be used with adapters or connectors. Those can be controlled from the case switch. Only black rear fan has a default compatible pin connector (but I do not remember if I purchase it separately or it was provided with the case).

I have to check which fan dimension will fit the front of 5.25" drive bays ... and if there are holes for connecting a fan.Found both brand fans suggested on a Romanian on-line retailer:
https://www.forit.ro/ventilatoare-ra...unctie-pwm-da/ - last 3 ones for Be quiet !
https://www.forit.ro/ventilatoare-ra...unctie-pwm-da/ again last 3 ones for Phanteks
for reference 1 EUR=4,9 RON (lei)

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I finally broke down and tried a pair of P14s as intakes on my EVOLV ATX. I had to run them at higher noise levels than the F140MP to get the same temps. They didn't work out for my application, and they are definitely cheap feeling compared to the F140MP.
Thank you for doing basic test of Arctic P14. I

So noisier than MPs at same performance level and cheaper feeling.

Your testing and knowing we like same kinds of sounds and performance in fans means I won't be buying or using any in my builds. Question is should users on very limited budgets consider Arctic P14 fans as an option?=r Or are they not worth it even at half the price of PH-F140MPs (one third the cost of Silent Wings 3 140mm) by users on very limited budgets?



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I am reading the topics in the summary ... case air flow, splitters/connectors, thermal paste. Very informative. Again ... Thanks !!!
Related to Corsair 500R case ... the white fans ( 2 in front and 1 huge on the side) have a proprietary 3 pin connector and can not be used with adapters or connectors. Those can be controlled from the case switch. Only black rear fan has a default compatible pin connector (but I do not remember if I purchase it separately or it was provided with the case).

I have to check which fan dimension will fit the front of 5.25" drive bays ... and if there are holes for connecting a fan.Found both brand fans suggested on a Romanian on-line retailer:
https://www.forit.ro/ventilatoare-ra...unctie-pwm-da/ - last 3 ones for Be quiet !
https://www.forit.ro/ventilatoare-ra...unctie-pwm-da/ again last 3 ones for Phanteks
for reference 1 EUR=4,9 RON (lei)
I'm guessing your motherboard has enough fan headers to control all the case fans you need .. keeping in mind you only need 2-4 good intake fans to move air through case.
Fitting fan in 5.25" drive bays doesn't need fancy mounts. Can use strips of foam to wedge fan into bay or zip-tie fan at back of bay. Here is 120mm fan held in with foam:

And here is 140mm mounted to back of 5.25" bay:




Be creative. Here is link to long thread of fitting fans into 5.25" optical bays. Sadly most of the pics are gone.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...-graphics.html



PH-F140MP are about 2/3rd the cost of Silent Wings 3. Silent Wings 2 are not good for our uses because they have very low pressure ratings.

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Thank you for doing basic test of Arctic P14. I

So noisier than MPs at same performance level and cheaper feeling.

Your testing and knowing we like same kinds of sounds and performance in fans means I won't be buying or using any in my builds. Question is should users on very limited budgets consider Arctic P14 fans as an option?=r Or are they not worth it even at half the price of PH-F140MPs (one third the cost of Silent Wings 3 140mm) by users on very limited budgets?
Since I only tested them in a singular application, and a kind of funky one at that, I'm not in a position to really answer that. But....given that the P14 is up to $10 in the US if you buy them individually, and the F140MP can be had for $13 from NewEgg, I would be more inclined to recommend the F140MP as a budget fan. But, if you are doing the P14 5-Pack for $24, they are a steal and it opens up an appreciable difference in cost, even if only four of them work out of the box.

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Since I only tested them in a singular application, and a kind of funky one at that, I'm not in a position to really answer that. But....given that the P14 is up to $10 in the US if you buy them individually, and the F140MP can be had for $13 from NewEgg, I would be more inclined to recommend the F140MP as a budget fan. But, if you are doing the P14 5-Pack for $24, they are a steal and it opens up an appreciable difference in cost, even if only four of them work out of the box.
Makes perfect sense.
Here we have PH-F140MP 2-pack for £16.26 (8.26) and Arctic P14 5-pack for £24.49 (@£4.90) makes it a much harder decision.

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I took the 150 fan from my not-used Achron Rev.A and set it up on the upper side of the case. It blows half on the ram and the other half on the CPU default cooler.
Maybe I could lower RAM timings with the newfound cooling opportunity, I'm at 3800 CL 15

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