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Linus told in theory it could last 10 lifetimes, so in 2900 we can give this as inheritance to our descendants, now that is futureproofing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Quick glance; pics are not of same cooler / same condenser size as in dimensional drawings are. Seems there is a huge difference between 2019 & 2020 models.


The pictures are from tht prototype, which is what is shown in the video. But he says production is going to me much thinner. Which is what the drawings look to be.

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Once again, Linus with the click bait title... *sigh*.. please share another creators video when possible.

One of the bigger issues with these high TDP CPU's is getting the heat off of the die, not the cooling fin stack.

The thermal transfer at the chip is where the limitation of both air and water coolers is often met.

Notice how they compare this thing against a single fan, single fin stack NH-U14 and not a NH-D15 with two IPPC 3000 rpm fans.

Very interesting product.

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Looks pretty awesome. A horizontal mount case would be a must. And only $150, I'd consider this if it performs.
Is that because of the 900g weight (over 1kg with fans)?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wizzzard View Post
Once again, Linus with the click bait title... *sigh*.. please share another creators video when possible.

One of the bigger issues with these high TDP CPU's is getting the heat off of the die, not the cooling fin stack.

The thermal transfer at the chip is where the limitation of both air and water coolers is often met.

Notice how they compare this thing against a single fan, single fin stack NH-U14 and not a NH-D15 with two IPPC 3000 rpm fans.

Very interesting product.
I was about to say the same. Test was compare to small Noctua cooler that is not even on par with performance of big guys.
Btw. this thing is absolutely hideous
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I assume , Noctua D15 with those delta fans would perform same as this giant, so im not very impressed.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wizzzard View Post
Once again, Linus with the click bait title... *sigh*.. please share another creators video when possible
Before playing it smart, did you read? I mean really read?
Thus far, it's been covered by two media outlets; they're both represented here, as is fair.
I'm the first to pinpoint the irony of "my linking a Linus Tech Tips video in one of my posts", thereby hinting at everything a clueless person needs be aware of.
Until recently, we had no clueless people around here. Or at the least, we didn't primarily focus on them. Perhaps you represent a change.

As to the rest:
- doyll has already been answered, but yeah; i link the final designs, but also post current pics (from Tom's) because the current version is all we have to go by. Mentioned in both the video and the URL links.
- the tricycle man (he knows who he is), needs to finally learn how to ride a proper bike, or stick to his "AIOs are best" threads.
- Regarding performance, the testing thereof or the correct methodology/validity of the results, i will once again (surprise) repeat myself, as it's all mentioned in the very OP:

i) It is new (not generally, new as in within our market). That's a good start; we have better tech, but no one's been implementing it. Yet.
ii) It is promising, or at the least appears to have something to offer. It doesn't have to be 'bestest', it has to be competitive. That's the drive for improvement.
iii) It is purported, purported (hence my saying in the OP wait for the final sample), to offer performance improvements much higher than what we're accustomed to (a certain someone playing it smart mentioned a non-flagship Noctua cooler, but "neglected" to mention how i) it's a TR4 platofrm so that's the biggest Noctua has, ii) how the Thermosiphon fared against a revised, TR4-plated 360 Phoenix).

I will remind that for air cooling, improvements are at best measured in single degrees Celsius.

Ergo? I made the post.
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The comments about hair-dryer Delta fans don't hold up as their spec sheet states the 2x 120mm fans are run at 1175~2200 RPM, and I would consider that on about the same level as a Gentle Typhoon 2150; audible, but not screaming like a banshee. According to Tom's testing, at 50% PWM (2x 120mm, 1300 RPM) it was 1.3dBA quieter than the NH-U14S at 100% PWM (1x 140mm, 1500 RPM), but it was 1.3c warmer (70.7c vs 72.0c).


My thoughts:
-I would be disappointed if that aluminum coldplate made it to the final revision, because I think liquid metal would do wonders for this when you really pump the heat
-The purported fin density increase on the final revision may mean that faster (ergo, louder) fans than the 2200RPM Deltas would be required to make the most out of it
-Reduced fin depth does not significantly improve the case compatibility, as it is still about 250mm wide and will interfere with RAM and other components
-While using fans in parallel as opposed to serial gives you a lot more surface area and airflow to work with compared to a regular dual-tower, it also means that virtually every off-the-shelf case has a less-than-deal airflow configuration for this heatsink due to the vertical orientation (relative to the motherboard socket). Rotating it 90 degrees to have proper front-to-back airflow is not possible either as that would cause all sorts of case and PCIe slot issues.


It's not a total flop and is an interesting proof of concept but I'm left wanting more performance for it to be disruptive in this stagnant cooling market. The price is expensive for an air-cooler but cheap compared to going liquid, but I only see this working to its full potential in a bespoke case that lets it have unobstructed airflow.

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or... call me crazy, but what if we bolted this to the chassis in the big open area on top, and used, say, some liquid-filled tubes and a pump to transport the heat from the CPU off to the big old fin stack at the top of the chassis?

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For all the mass of the cooler and the "fancy technology" it isn't that much cooler than a a single fan NH-U14 in tom's results or the arctic 50 in linus's at max rpm.

Be interesting to compare coolers with the same fans.



Quote: Originally Posted by Wizzzard View Post
Once again, Linus with the click bait title... *sigh*.. please share another creators video when possible.

One of the bigger issues with these high TDP CPU's is getting the heat off of the die, not the cooling fin stack.

The thermal transfer at the chip is where the limitation of both air and water coolers is often met.

Notice how they compare this thing against a single fan, single fin stack NH-U14 and not a NH-D15 with two IPPC 3000 rpm fans.

Very interesting product.
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