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post #21 of 180 (permalink) Old 12-17-2019, 01:50 AM
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something perfect to keep my FT-02 for some years to come :-)

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post #22 of 180 (permalink) Old 12-17-2019, 02:08 AM
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or... call me crazy, but what if we bolted this to the chassis in the big open area on top, and used, say, some liquid-filled tubes and a pump to transport the heat from the CPU off to the big old fin stack at the top of the chassis?
The entire point of this cooler is to surpass the limitations of heatpipes without introducing failure points like pumps.

Sure there are some very reliable pumps, like the D5, but those cost almost as much as this entire cooler and still aren't as reliable.
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What a weird product. Give me a a prototype-sized version with the production version's optimizations, copper, and 280mm. Go big or go home lol.

However, I'm more impressed that the Freezer 50 is able to cool a 400w 2990wx. If it had fans with more similar airflow and static pressure numbers as the deltas on the siphon I'm sure that small gap would get even smaller. Hell, getting rid of that shroud and putting a P14 in the front would probably do that.

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post #24 of 180 (permalink) Old 12-17-2019, 01:29 PM
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show me the version that is going to be sold or don't show me anything, lol. a prototype is irrelevant to the end customer.

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Also, consider this: Chances are pretty high that Tom's and LMG did their testing with the graphics card in the bottom slot to give better airflow for the CPU. You put that cooler in a case with your typical 2/3 fan AIB graphics card cooler a couple slots away, and I'm sure those temperatures will be different from the ones we see now. I understand that this is a prototype and is going to slim down, but with that fan orientation, it's just going to suck in all the heat from the graphics card, and the thinner one will probably be even better at it. You put the graphics card near the bottom to improve cpu temps? Say goodbye to gpu temps when the fans struggle to get air with it being so close to the psu shroud. Vice versa? Say goodbye to cpu temps with all that hot air in even closer proximity to the cooler while blocking off airflow. But at least you're grahpics card will be treated like a king with all of its soiled air being efficiently chauffeured away from it.

It just seems to me like LMG and Tom's tested this cooler in a vacuum chamber. But hey, maybe slimming it to 31mm will somehow drastically reduce these side-effects. I'd like to see a more thorough analysis of this cooler in the future since too many variables are up in the air right now.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Fullereneshift View Post
The comments about hair-dryer Delta fans don't hold up as their spec sheet states the 2x 120mm fans are run at 1175~2200 RPM, and I would consider that on about the same level as a Gentle Typhoon 2150; audible, but not screaming like a banshee
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Thank you for pointing the obvious; i didn't want to make yet another post* reiterating what's already included in the OP, though be it ADHD or petty refusal to acknowledge an error? Perhaps i should have. Nine second attention span gen, in all its glory.
* i only mentioned the sound, as they are indeed louder than their mainstream 2200 equivalent.

As to the latter, yes to both, the bottom slotted GPU obviously wasn't an accident. Nor was it something i didn't take into account, but again, i had a reason adding that 'for me' in the OP.
i) I have the option to mount any PCIe device in separate bottom compartments, multiple ones in fact, with a simple extension cable. Nothing air flow obstructed. But leaving the personal side?
Cases that allow for something similar are a lot more in common today than they used to be. And they range from the cheap all the way to something like Mountain Mods' CFO? UFO? I forget what it's called, the horizontal one. There are options out there; whether folks care, or even comprehend the reasoning behind investing in a good case rather than a "pretty" case? Not my concern frankly. And on top of that, i would again point out the obvious: no one's fault folks do the purchases they tend to do, nor is that an excuse for halting the release of newer applications/implementations.
Choices and consequences.

ii) We should also refrain from over-visualising this, as we've yet to see the final product. 90 degree mounting is one thing, the orientation of the flow is another. We have not enough to go on about that, but if (and i assume that to be the case) the fans can be mounted on either side of the Thermosiphon, then apart from horizontal cases, inverted vertical ones also become a strong contender.
And what a surprise there! If on air cooling, second best from horizontal has always been the inverted vertical one. Always. And what a second surprise (not), that they didn't sell as well as their 'normal' counterparts. Be it because consumers lacked the knowledge, or be it because "consumers" wanted pretty, on their desk right next to them and looking at the pretty colors!!(!!11).
Choices and consequences.

Either way, we can be realistic and attest to the fact that an easy 70% of PCs out there have a stiffled CPU blower, whatever the reasons. And they shall continue to.
In most cases, a better but stiffled cooler will outperform a worse but equally stiffled cooler.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Fullereneshift View Post
The comments about hair-dryer Delta fans don't hold up as their spec sheet states the 2x 120mm fans are run at 1175~2200 RPM, and I would consider that on about the same level as a Gentle Typhoon 2150; audible, but not screaming like a banshee. According to Tom's testing, at 50% PWM (2x 120mm, 1300 RPM) it was 1.3dBA quieter than the NH-U14S at 100% PWM (1x 140mm, 1500 RPM), but it was 1.3c warmer (70.7c vs 72.0c).
you just proved my point about the fans. 2200 rpm, very loud and only 4C cooler than the noctua with a single fan, single row of fin stacks. Then when the noise is almost the same the noctua is cooler. For it's huge size and the airflow of those fans the cooler is pretty poor.
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something perfect to keep my FT-02 for some years to come :-)
I asked the manufacturer about the FT02, since I own one as well. Unfortunately, this cooler won't work in that orientation. Coolant will only circulate in the two positions shown in the first post in the thread. If it's rotated 90 degrees clockwise to fit in the Fortress case, it won't flow.
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oh dear did you forget to take your lithium this morning.

They are going to supply fans based on fan speed, noise level and airflow.

those delta fans make a lot of noise and there is only 4C difference in temps between the ice giant and the noctua.

its ******* massive to the point to too big.

the delta fans at 50% are as loud as the noctua's at 100%.

so its more expensive, way way bigger, much louder and only 4C cooler which makes bugger all difference.

so why are you getting your pants in a twist?
i take it you didn't obsorb much of the available info, as this was discussed.

also, production will be like 1/3 the size some how.

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i take it you didn't obsorb much of the available info, as this was discussed.

also, production will be like 1/3 the size some how.
Available info - Its huge (2kg), more expensive than other air coolers, Fans are too loud and have poor performance to noise, hardly beats other coolers that are cheaper, smaller and quieter.

As a proof of concept it is pretty poor given the info above. It offers no actual advantage.

There is no production version. When there is I'll revisit my opinion.
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