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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-21-2020, 12:05 PM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by bigboy678 View Post
haha just responded to you in another thread about this. whoops, anyways personally i do not like ball bearing fans. back in the hay day i tried multiple gentle typhoon fans in various rpms and in various cases and they would just produce this horrible tonal noise (harmonic might be a better word?) at certain rpm ranges
Saw that, thanks! As I wrote there, I am really tempted to try P12, it's not huge waste of money if I decide they're not silent enough or do not perform as I would like and repurpose them to a different project. But we'll see, I'll sleep on it, take some time to read a bit more etc.

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And how are the CO versions of the F12/P12? They use ball bearing, so generally something that is louder or with less pleasant sound signature one might say than non-CO version (that uses fluid bearing I think?).

Did you ever see (hear) ball bearing fans in person? They shouldn't be louder but a ball bearing has a special noise that you might be able to pick out from the rest of the "woosh" noise. If you can't hear this special bearing noise (it's pretty quiet), then they should be fine.

On the ball bearing fans I've seen from Delta and from Thermalright, objectively the noise wasn't worse than similar fans with sleeve bearing, they might actually have been more quiet. The ball bearings produced a deep and smooth sort of "sssss" sound. The noise isn't unpleasant and actually sounds kind of nice, but just the fact that I can pick it out drives me a bit crazy after sitting next to it for a few hours.
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Did you ever see (hear) ball bearing fans in person? They shouldn't be louder but a ball bearing has a special noise that you might be able to pick out from the rest of the "woosh" noise. If you can't hear this special bearing noise (it's pretty quiet), then they should be fine.

On the ball bearing fans I've seen from Delta and from Thermalright, objectively the noise wasn't worse than similar fans with sleeve bearing, they might actually have been more quiet. The ball bearings produced a deep and smooth sort of "sssss" sound. The noise isn't unpleasant and actually sounds kind of nice, but just the fact that I can pick it out drives me a bit crazy after sitting next to it for a few hours.
Not in the current fan "era" 😉 I know spec is one thing but a lot comes down to personal preference and how the sound is tolerated by your own ears and that's not something anyone will help me with 🙂 I'm aware of that. I'm more trying to figure out if me considering Arctic P12s is just being a cheap bum or it is a valid option amond others given the requirements and what this build actually needs.

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Not in the current fan "era" 😉 I know spec is one thing but a lot comes down to personal preference and how the sound is tolerated by your own ears and that's not something anyone will help me with 🙂 I'm aware of that. I'm more trying to figure out if me considering Arctic P12s is just being a cheap bum or it is a valid option amond others given the requirements and what this build actually needs.
I haven't tried the P12, only the P14, so anything I say is based on that. They didn't work out for me in the application I tried out, but they weren't a bad fan by any stretch. The Phanteks F140MP outperformed them and had a nicer sound signature to my ears in my use. That said, and having used the F120MP extensively, I would be more inclined to use an F120MP than a P12 were I looking at a lower prices fan.

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+1 for the Phanteks MP/XP, haven't used the Arctic P series but the F series are junk.

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I had 5x Arctic F14's and basically gave them away because they sucked. The P12 & P14 are better but not at the same quality tier as a Noctua/Be Quiet!/Phanteks premium fan is.

Really it comes down to how much do you have in the budget to spend - If you can afford $15 a fan go for the F120MP, if not the P12 is a solid lower cost option. And considering OP needs at least four and possibly more, the P12 is probably a good option to start with. If you don't like it there's always Amazon's famous no questions asked return policy.

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The P12 & P14 are better but not at the same quality tier as a Noctua/Be Quiet!/Phanteks premium fan is..
can you tell the difference when they are screwed into a case or radiator? They are warrantied for 10 years.
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I think that's going to depend a bit on what case & how restrictive the airflow path is. @doyll is our resident expert here and is very knowledgeable on the subject.

The nicer quality fans also have rubber mounts to reduce vibrations a little. It's a minor detail but personally I think it's a nice touch. You don't get that with the lower cost but still decent quality P12's.

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Ok, reporting back I decided to get Arctic P14s. They were more than half the price of SW3. While I have Dark Rock 4 Pro and use SW3 in my workstation for this..I just couldn't justify the price. Knowing I need at least 4 (and probably 8), this is just too much of an investment.

So far? I am impressed. I just plugged them fast wire-to-wire to the controller I had (I actually ordered another one that has two channels, because I figured out I want to control top and bottom separately) and they're really good. They push air and they are relatively silent. With speeds around 900-1100 they are fine to sit by, probably even up to 1300. Totally silent from the living room (my office is open to it on kind of +1 level). I will use home made rubber pads when I will be mounting them in the rack (after I'll drill the 140 mounting holes). I think they will be fine. I think I'll be working on the rack this weekend, getting the silencing mats in and the fans, so we'll see how it will all turn out. I'll let you guys know

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Ok, reporting back I decided to get Arctic P14s. They were more than half the price of SW3. While I have Dark Rock 4 Pro and use SW3 in my workstation for this..I just couldn't justify the price. Knowing I need at least 4 (and probably 8), this is just too much of an investment.

So far? I am impressed. I just plugged them fast wire-to-wire to the controller I had (I actually ordered another one that has two channels, because I figured out I want to control top and bottom separately) and they're really good. They push air and they are relatively silent. With speeds around 900-1100 they are fine to sit by, probably even up to 1300. Totally silent from the living room (my office is open to it on kind of +1 level). I will use home made rubber pads when I will be mounting them in the rack (after I'll drill the 140 mounting holes). I think they will be fine. I think I'll be working on the rack this weekend, getting the silencing mats in and the fans, so we'll see how it will all turn out. I'll let you guys know

As always, thanks for the great answers and suggestions!
Soulds like a win/win.
I've often used small rubber grommets as vibration dampeners. Link below shows how I use them.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...an-data-5.html
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