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Help choose a cooler (FUMA 2 vs Ninja 5)

Good day! My girlfriend wanted a PC really bad, and as such I've decided to help her build one.

So far I have ordered the following components:

Ryzen 5 3600
MSI x470 Gaming Plus Max
EVGA 2060 XC (found at a very good price)
Geil EVO II AMD Edition 3600

Personally I haven't been into air cooling ever since I've tried out water (custom loops all the way! lots of rads! MOAR RADS!), but since I am doing a "budget build" here, I am trying to figure out which cooler to grab.
I have narrowed down to FUMA 2 and Ninja 5.

My main concern about Ninja 5 - Ninja 5 has 5.5cm clearance for ram (as far as I have been able to find out on the web), while EVO II stands 5.1cm tall. This means that one of the fans for Ninja 5 will have to be mounted higher to get the necessary clearance for ram. No clue how much that will affect Ninja 5's performance. In addition to that it will cover slot 2, and RGBs. Personally I couldn't care less, but my girlfriend likes RGBs.
My main concern about Fuma 2 - loud than Ninja 5, performs slightly worse, from what I have read.

Looking for input (especially if anyone used both coolers).

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kriant View Post
Good day! My girlfriend wanted a PC really bad, and as such I've decided to help her build one.

So far I have ordered the following components:

Ryzen 5 3600
MSI x470 Gaming Plus Max
EVGA 2060 XC (found at a very good price)
Geil EVO II AMD Edition 3600

Personally I haven't been into air cooling ever since I've tried out water (custom loops all the way! lots of rads! MOAR RADS!), but since I am doing a "budget build" here, I am trying to figure out which cooler to grab.
I have narrowed down to FUMA 2 and Ninja 5.
Have you looked at the Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power? It's a top performer and usually cheap.


Quote: Originally Posted by Kriant View Post
My main concern about Ninja 5 - Ninja 5 has 5.5cm clearance for ram (as far as I have been able to find out on the web), while EVO II stands 5.1cm tall. This means that one of the fans for Ninja 5 will have to be mounted higher to get the necessary clearance for ram. No clue how much that will affect Ninja 5's performance. In addition to that it will cover slot 2, and RGBs. Personally I couldn't care less, but my girlfriend likes RGBs.

My main concern about Fuma 2 - loud than Ninja 5, performs slightly worse, from what I have read.

Looking for input (especially if anyone used both coolers).
I thought most reviews had the Fuma II outperforming the Ninja 5.


I would hesitate to run a cooler with a very convex base like the Fuma/Fuma II on Ryzen. In theory coolers with a highly convex base don't perform as well with the chiplet layout. I haven't seen any thermal benchmarks on Ryzen to back that up, but such data could be worth seeking out.

If you're not overclocking, perhaps the convexity is not a huge concern, but a matter worthy of consideration at least. It may cause the less convex Ninja 5 to outperform the Fuma II. Then there's the matter of how the CPU IHS can deform/dent due to a highly convex base; not much of an issue if you always use the same cooler, but if you were to switch to a flatter cooler later, it would make poor contact and cause thermals to be worse, albeit you could always lap it, if it becomes an issue.

FWIW mounting the fan higher on the heatsink had no noticeable effect with my Ninja 4; IMO it's a non-issue, especially with push/pull.

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The reviews I saw had the Ninja 5 outperforming the Fuma 2 when you take noise into account. If you're talking outright performance, then I believe the Fuma 2 wins, but that is likely due to having higher RPM fans. I'm not sure if you watched Ponchato's review, but his methodology seemed quite sound.
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The reviews I saw had the Ninja 5 outperforming the Fuma 2 when you take noise into account. If you're talking outright performance, then I believe the Fuma 2 wins, but that is likely due to having higher RPM fans. I'm not sure if you watched Ponchato's review, but his methodology seemed quite sound.


Never saw that reviewer before. But he did sway me in the direction of FUMA 2, so I went ahead and ordered it.


Thanks for your input guys! =)

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kriant View Post
Never saw that reviewer before. But he did sway me in the direction of FUMA 2, so I went ahead and ordered it.


Thanks for your input guys! =)
Awesome! His reviews really should be getting a lot more views. Videos are straight and to the point.
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Any review that doesn't have a detailed discription of test station and a detailed test procedure is suspect. The test procedure needs to be written, not told like a story by a talking head.

GamerNexus has a very good detailed explaination of why most cooler testing is flawed:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...sts-are-flawed


They also have a good test station and do accurate cooler testing:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...-nh-d15-others


Another site with very in-depth reviews is TheLab, It's a Greek site so need to use translater. Their testing includes 3 cooler orientations:
https://www.thelab.gr/reviews/heatsi...oling-reviews/

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Any review that doesn't have a detailed discription of test station and a detailed test procedure is suspect. The test procedure needs to be written, not told like a story by a talking head.

GamerNexus has a very good detailed explaination of why most cooler testing is flawed:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...sts-are-flawed


They also have a good test station and do accurate cooler testing:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...-nh-d15-others


Another site with very in-depth reviews is TheLab, It's a Greek site so need to use translater. Their testing includes 3 cooler orientations:
https://www.thelab.gr/reviews/heatsi...oling-reviews/

Thanks for the input!


I've installed FUMA 2. Temps slightly higher than expected, maybe I put too much paste, but overall seems decent. 3600 under prime95 blend, after 14h maximum registered temp was 81.5 (probably during small fft). Hovers at 4.075ghz all cores under load on average.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kriant View Post
Thanks for the input!


I've installed FUMA 2. Temps slightly higher than expected, maybe I put too much paste, but overall seems decent. 3600 under prime95 blend, after 14h maximum registered temp was 81.5 (probably during small fft). Hovers at 4.075ghz all cores under load on average.
Have you checked the air temp entering cooler during a long test? It is very possible the air inside of case is warmer than room when system is working hard. Every degree warmer air is make component (CPU same degree hotter. If room is 22c and air into coole ris 35c with 81.5c and case airflow is improved so air into cooler is 25c, then CPU would be 71.5c instead of 81.5c. This is why when a system seems to be running hot one of the first things I check is air temp entering cooler.

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Have you looked at the Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power? It's a top performer and usually cheap.



I thought most reviews had the Fuma II outperforming the Ninja 5.


I would hesitate to run a cooler with a very convex base like the Fuma/Fuma II on Ryzen. In theory coolers with a highly convex base don't perform as well with the chiplet layout. I haven't seen any thermal benchmarks on Ryzen to back that up, but such data could be worth seeking out.

If you're not overclocking, perhaps the convexity is not a huge concern, but a matter worthy of consideration at least. It may cause the less convex Ninja 5 to outperform the Fuma II. Then there's the matter of how the CPU IHS can deform/dent due to a highly convex base; not much of an issue if you always use the same cooler, but if you were to switch to a flatter cooler later, it would make poor contact and cause thermals to be worse, albeit you could always lap it, if it becomes an issue.

FWIW mounting the fan higher on the heatsink had no noticeable effect with my Ninja 4; IMO it's a non-issue, especially with push/pull.
You would strip your mounting screws long before you could permanently deform an I.h.s. Also the yield strength of copper is basically unchanged at that temp: http://www-ferp.ucsd.edu/LIB/PROPS/PANOS/cu.html and creep generally doesn't become a concern on the timescale of a lifetime until you get over half of the melting point of a metal. The I.h.s. won't hit a third of its.
But I'm just being nitpicky, I didn't know the Fuma was convex and it does sound worse for broad coverage because of that.

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