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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 05-13-2020, 12:42 PM - Thread Starter
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TRUE Spirit 140 Power only similarity to other TRUE cooler is it's a single tower. It's bigger, taller & wider and has 8mm heatpipes while all others have 6mm heatpipes.

Techpowerup uses a Thermaltake Core P3 case which isn't as closed in a most, but still not at test station. And they use room air temp not, but don't say when it is recorded .. and they really need to use cooler intake air temp recorded same time CPU temp is recorded.

So I don't trust their results

Tweaktown uses an INWIN D-Frame and again no idea when or where air temp is recorded except for saying it's "ambient room temperature" So again, no way of knowing if results are really accurate or not.
So I don't trust their results

Might be able to better figure what coolers will fit once I scale center CPU to RAM and PCIe sockets.
I assumed the Power was pretty mucht he same as the Direct cooler but apparently Thermalright is delivering worse products, I dont know why they would downgrade the cooler and keeping the same name at least they should do like Noctua or CM and re-name it

The motherboard I would use it on might be the Z68 FTW temporarily then Z170 OCF but I mean doesnt the Scythe mugen 5 sounds like the best choice?

some reviews put it on the level of the FUMA and the Ninja 5(or slighly hotter than the Ninja 5) but that is impressive considering the dimensions of the cooler,or maybe I am imaging the Scythe Mugen 5 is smaller than it is?

also what about the ID-Cooling SE-234-ARGB it has some impressive results for what it is it seem to be slighly smaller than a Mugen 5 but it has a pric eof $35 I reading some review where it matched the mugen 5 with 1 fan
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Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT! I've got one set aside for when my pump inevitably dies, but I haven't tried it on my 9900K yet. Did really well on my 6700, though.

Seems prices have went up on it though, used to be able to find it for $69 and now it's up to $79 on Amazon.

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I assumed the Power was pretty mucht he same as the Direct cooler but apparently Thermalright is delivering worse products, I dont know why they would downgrade the cooler and keeping the same name at least they should do like Noctua or CM and re-name it

The motherboard I would use it on might be the Z68 FTW temporarily then Z170 OCF but I mean doesnt the Scythe mugen 5 sounds like the best choice?

some reviews put it on the level of the FUMA and the Ninja 5(or slighly hotter than the Ninja 5) but that is impressive considering the dimensions of the cooler,or maybe I am imaging the Scythe Mugen 5 is smaller than it is?

also what about the ID-Cooling SE-234-ARGB it has some impressive results for what it is it seem to be slighly smaller than a Mugen 5 but it has a pric eof $35 I reading some review where it matched the mugen 5 with 1 fan
Thermalright like other cooler companies has many different designs, sizes and shapes of coolers. Obviously bigger coolers with more or bigger heatpipes cool better than smaller ones with less heatpipes, as well as some designs work better than others. While I haven't tested any in over a year now, people I know who have say new ones are as well made as older ones. Most if not all issues with convex base are the result of more CPUs having bigger chips and flatter sometimes even convex bases .. end result is more mating / setting issues. And it's not just Thermalright coolers that have these issues.

I think the best way to solve this mating problem is check print and lap cooler base and maybe even IHS flat. This is nothing new. We've been doing this for many, many years.

I'm not home for next 14 hours. When I get home I will try and figure out your motherboard clearances and let you know. I assume the motherboards are EVGA Z68 FTW and AsRock Z170 OCF?

When looking at cooler reviews if the testing procedure does not clearly say air temp entering cooler is monitored and recorded at same time CPU temp is recorded the results are not going to be accurate. Most reviews do not do this so are worthless.

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Don't forget to check if you can buy Thermalright Macho Rev. C, in case LGMRT is out of stock.
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On both motherboards 16x PCIe are more than far enough away for even the widest coolers to fit.

EVGA Z68 FTW has about 56-57mm center CPU toward RAM and about 122mm to near side 16x PCIe, but there is a x4 socket 20.3mm closer (101.7mm from center CPU).

AsRock Z170 OC center CPU to near side of RAM socket is about 49mm and about 77mm to near side of 16x PCIe. Cryorig R1 Universal will just fit with it's thin front fan.

With no RAM behind CPU on either of these mobos and plenty of room toward PCIe sockets there are many top tier coolers that will fit.

Some links to places you can buy from would be helpful. Then we can pick best of what is available to you.

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KitGuru testing is maginial at best. They say "ambient temperature was very stable at 18-19 degrees throughout our testing" but say nothing at all about where temperature is taken or when it is taken. If air temp entering cooler is not monitored and recorded at same time as CPU temp is recorded then results can be off by a large margin, like +/-5c or more. Air temp around cooler and test station is constantly changing because of constant changing heat sources .. heat sources lke lighting, PSU, CPU, GPU, even people involved in testng. All radiate heat into air making the air temp entering cooler much differnt than elsewhere in room.
CNPS17x specs look okay, but not much info to be found. No reviews with accurate testing.

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KitGuru testing is maginial at best. They say "ambient temperature was very stable at 18-19 degrees throughout our testing" but say nothing at all about where temperature is taken or when it is taken. If air temp entering cooler is not monitored and recorded at same time as CPU temp is recorded then results can be off by a large margin, like +/-5c or more. Air temp around cooler and test station is constantly changing because of constant changing heat sources .. heat sources lke lighting, PSU, CPU, GPU, even people involved in testng. All radiate heat into air making the air temp entering cooler much differnt than elsewhere in room.
CNPS17x specs look okay, but not much info to be found. No reviews with accurate testing.

Yes more testing needed but it should be a viable option judging them by their air cooler history. The fan makes me squirm a little but I can see the benefits.

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