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Quote: Originally Posted by D-EJ915 View Post
Yes both 3-pin and 4-pin (PWM) have 1000 and 1600 RPM models. So get the model you want the fan speed for with the connector you want.
So now I will have 2 options:
1st: Buy 2 SW3 PMW 140 for front intake, keep using 2 TY-147B for the D15's and leave the rear exhaust empty.
2nd: Buy 2 TY-143 for the D15's, move the TY-147ASQ from rear to front and buy 1 more TY-147ASQ for front intake, then leave rear exhaust empty too.
So which one is better? Make more sense?
@doyll How do you think?

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Quote: Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post
I've tested numerous 2x140 and 3x120 combos in the Evolv. The 2x140 is the way to go. Look at the design of the case, using 120mm has one blowing almost entirely under the PSU shroud making it useless. So yo are almost comparing 2x140 against 2x120. No brainier there.
This is better logic than mine. I failed to account for the case design. Reconsidering, I would also go 2x140 on this scenario.
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Quote: Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post
So now I will have 2 options:
1st: Buy 2 SW3 PMW 140 for front intake, keep using 2 TY-147B for the D15's and leave the rear exhaust empty.
2nd: Buy 2 TY-143 for the D15's, move the TY-147ASQ from rear to front and buy 1 more TY-147ASQ for front intake, then leave rear exhaust empty too.
So which one is better? Make more sense?
@doyll How do you think?

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What cairlatano said is good advice.

TY-143 on cooler will move as much or more air through cooler than 2x TY-147A SQ move into case .. leaving no case airflow for GPU. Do you need more cooling on CPU than it has with D15 as it is now setup? What is air temp into D15 when CPU is at high temps? Not room air temp but the temp measured 20mm in front of NH-D15 front fan.

What are the prices to you for PH-F140MP, TY-143, TY-147SQ and Silent Wings 3 140mm high speed? TY-143SQ and Coojag Everflow F121425BUAF are basically the same fan in different colors.

http://www.cooljagusa.com/index.php?...assid=82&id=87

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The MP's is good for rad AFAIK, so maybe I will get the sw3 because I don't have plan to go AIO or CLC now. There are 3 models of sw3, 140 140 pmw 140 pmw highspeed..which one?

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The first thing you need to do is get "good for rad" out of your head. The front of many, if not most, cases are more restrictive than moderate fpi radiators. The AF and SP tags are Corsair marketing bull. What matters is the PQ curve of the fan in it's given environment.

That said, and seeing your other posts and options....Add two SW3 high speed as intakes and leave the rest as is. Any gains from your other proposed changes would be incredibly minimal, and to see the gains of the TY-143, the volume will be earsplitting, and you will need to feed them enough air to actually work as intended as @doyll pointed out. Your PC will sound like an Apache helicopter in the room with you.

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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
What cairlatano said is good advice.

TY-143 on cooler will move as much or more air through cooler than 2x TY-147A SQ move into case .. leaving no case airflow for GPU. Do you need more cooling on CPU than it has with D15 as it is now setup? What is air temp into D15 when CPU is at high temps? Not room air temp but the temp measured 20mm in front of NH-D15 front fan.

What are the prices to you for PH-F140MP, TY-143, TY-147SQ and Silent Wings 3 140mm high speed? TY-143SQ and Coojag Everflow F121425BUAF are basically the same fan in different colors.

http://www.cooljagusa.com/index.php?...assid=82&id=87
I can't measure like the way you said but my room is really hot in summer and my cpu even at max rpm fan speed when redering cinebench r20 is about 7x to 80*C. My gtx1070 is about 75 to 80 too when playing Call of Duty Warzone.

PH-F140MP is $15
TY-143 is $21
TY-147ASQ is $18
SW3 pwm is $23
Coojag Everflow F121425BUAF is $11 @FrozenCPU

Quote: Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post
The first thing you need to do is get "good for rad" out of your head. The front of many, if not most, cases are more restrictive than moderate fpi radiators. The AF and SP tags are Corsair marketing bull. What matters is the PQ curve of the fan in it's given environment.

That said, and seeing your other posts and options....Add two SW3 high speed as intakes and leave the rest as is. Any gains from your other proposed changes would be incredibly minimal, and to see the gains of the TY-143, the volume will be earsplitting, and you will need to feed them enough air to actually work as intended as @doyll pointed out. Your PC will sound like an Apache helicopter in the room with you.
So adding more airflow by the SW3's will improve my Cpu temp without changing the d15' fans, is it right?
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Good place to start https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/c...ons-d_747.html

Usually a weak fan will not advertise its CFM unless it is a silent fan

It helps if there is a rpm vs CFM chart and decibels

latent heat is a bit of a factor if you are moving tons of air per minute. That size fan won't fit in a PC case.

What you looking for the acceptable degree rise in exhaust temp in relation to ambient.

Cooling is dependent on the mass and density of air moved.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post
I can't measure like the way you said but my room is really hot in summer and my cpu even at max rpm fan speed when redering cinebench r20 is about 7x to 80*C. My gtx1070 is about 75 to 80 too when playing Call of Duty Warzone.

PH-F140MP is $15
TY-143 is $21
TY-147ASQ is $18
SW3 pwm is $23
Coojag Everflow F121425BUAF is $11 @FrozenCPU

So adding more airflow by the SW3's will improve my Cpu temp without changing the d15' fans, is it right?
Coojag Everflow on FrozenCPU is not F121425BUAF 600-2600rpm model, but a Cooljag Everflow 140mm x 25mm Fan (R121425SL) 1500rpm model. Not even sure if it's variable voltage or PWM. If you look closely at image you can see red, black and yellow wires which are power, ground and rpm. Not blue PWM lead so no PWM control. Still a good fan but not as good as F121425BUAF. Frozen CPU is switching search to what they have in stock instead of saying they don't have it. I almost fell for it too.
Here is link to F121425BUAF 600-2600rpm model on Cooljag website:
http://www.cooljagusa.com/index.php?...ssid=82&id=108

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i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socketPhanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPUi7 980X
@ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base
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Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Coojag Everflow on FrozenCPU is not F121425BUAF 600-2600rpm model, but a Cooljag Everflow 140mm x 25mm Fan (R121425SL) 1500rpm model. Not even sure if it's variable voltage or PWM. If you look closely at image you can see red, black and yellow wires which are power, ground and rpm. Not blue PWM lead so no PWM control. Still a good fan but not as good as F121425BUAF. Frozen CPU is switching search to what they have in stock instead of saying they don't have it. I almost fell for it too.
Here is link to F121425BUAF 600-2600rpm model on Cooljag website:
http://www.cooljagusa.com/index.php?...ssid=82&id=108
So I'm not sure that they have the TY-143 or not, since you said your stock display is not reliable
@doyll so how do you think that I keep the TY-147 for the D15 or find another better one?
Do I need the rear fan if I just use only 2x140 front intake? And what fans should I use for intake: sw3, ty-147asq or..?

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Quote: Originally Posted by sonic2911 View Post
So I'm not sure that they have the TY-143 or not, since you said your stock display is not reliable
@doyll so how do you think that I keep the TY-147 for the D15 or find another better one?
Do I need the rear fan if I just use only 2x140 front intake? And what fans should I use for intake: sw3, ty-147asq or..?

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No rear fan needed. Remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear venting around GPU and thus improve airflow and lower temps as well as noise. Block all openings not covered by intake fans in front and maybe front half of top and bottom if vented so air front fans push in has to flow through case and out, not leak in front and go in circles.

Fan you get depends on how much you want to spend. Everflow R121425SL is best value. SW3 high speed is best fan. TY-147ASQ is about the same as Everflow. Just to add more confusion, PH-F140MP is another very good fan. It's specs are kinds deceptive becuase static pressure is only at full speed while PH-F140MP has higher static pressure than others in 500-1100rpm range, the speed range we run our fans most of the time. In attached graph shows PH-F140MP, TY-147ASQ an SW3 you can see how well it performs.
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Oh i see. I can find the evercool's nowhere. Maybe I will buy the phanteks's. But if I get the sw3, do i really need pwm for intake?

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