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I see... thanks for clearing that up!
So AIOs and custom loops are fine - it's the CLCs that have been relegated to trash tier.
That was a dick move from Asetek...

It's all kind of redundant, sort of?
Push-pull generates more noise, and some fans whine/whirr in that orientation at high rpm, where moving the rear fan to chassis exhaust solves that issue... but after testing in my own chassis, no chassis exhaust is better anyways.

^This is actually happening with the NH-D15S' heatsink when I attempt to mount 3 fans.

I'd never run TY-143s at max, unless stress testing - which I hardly bother with anymore, but the TS140 Power should open up some new, short term, opportunities...
I'd be more likely to run TY-147s at max, because why not? But knowing there's still some extra cooling that could be squeezed out whenever I wanted - but ehh, having run with these IPPC 3000s for like a year, I don't care to deal with that much noise anymore, so I see it as the fan being wasted because I'm not taking advantage of it's extra power very often.
I wouldn't say AIOs are fine, but they are definitely better than CLCs. At least with an AIO we can top up / flush & change coolant as need. We can also cut hoses to ideal lengths. And if pump goes bad we can get a replacement pump and use fittings from dead one and rebuilt system for half or less the cost of new system.
Best one is Swiftech Drive X3. Only others are made by Alphacool. Their own Eisbaer line and be quiet! Silent Loop line. I'm using a Silent Loop on one system now for over 3 years. I've changed coolant twice and topped up about every 6 months with a 10-20ml. A small reservoir would solve that problem, but haven't bothered doing it yet as it would require reservoir, fittings and hose.

I ran a Phanteks PH-TC14PE (red) with TY-143 fans for years on my i7 920 @ 3.8Ghz only because I had them and their red housing looks good on red cooler. I used 3x TY-143 as case intakes in a modded Define R3. They never ran above 1300rpm even rendering for hours on end on hottest day we had (29-30c). Only time they ran full speed was for shock and awe. I would start rendering something with fans turned off and when CPU reached 85c I would turn them on. They would hit full speed for about a minute than slowing down for a couple of minutes to normal speed and temps (1250rpm @75c). Attached graph is of of it at 4.3Ghz doing a prime 95 test run. After getting it to 4.3Ghz stable and comparing times rendering to 3.8Ghz I decided the little quicker rendering wasn't worth the extra noise (and possible shorter life) of system.
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TY-143 fans are great. I was not a huge fan of the colors, but after a while I arranged my case in a more "cyberpunk look" and they fit perfectly. Are they still making them? Read a something about them being discontinued.

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TY-143 fans are great. I was not a huge fan of the colors, but after a while I arranged my case in a more "cyberpunk look" and they fit perfectly. Are they still making them? Read a something about them being discontinued.
As far as I know they are still being made. There is also an 1800rpm version out now on I think 1 cooler.

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TY-143 is my favorite fan. It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It idles low, and at mid range speeds it’s fairly quiet. At about 1500 revs it starts to get noticeable. At 2500 revs it will stand out in a crowd for sure. The red is pretty loud I agree, but it grows on you. 130cfm.. how do you say no to that? Works good with tight and loose fin packs.

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This review, and this leaked chiphell image are all I have to go on regarding this cooler.
The first was done with an i7-6850K on an open test bench, but the chiphell thing was from an i5-4670K for crying out loud - that's worthless, and not a true example of this cooler's power.

It would be nice to get more samples.
The Ty-143 was only run at a maximum of 1500RPM in the chiphell tests. Why so low?
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The Ty-143 was only run at a maximum of 1500RPM in the chiphell tests. Why so low?
I don't know, but the main issue I had with that chart was the old Haswell i5 as the test cpu. WHY?! A cooler needs to be pushed to see what it can actually do.
All that tells me is that the SB-E/IB-E Extreme beat the NH-D15 with LOW TDP cpus - at least with their respective fans.
With my hardware, and using specific fan setups, I've found that the cooling performance is pretty much identical.
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The Ty-143 was only run at a maximum of 1500RPM in the chiphell tests. Why so low?
Where does it say TY-143 was only ran at 1500rpm? Not doubting it, just can't find it.

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I don't know, but the main issue I had with that chart was the old Haswell i5 as the test cpu. WHY?! A cooler needs to be pushed to see what it can actually do.
All that tells me is that the SB-E/IB-E Extreme beat the NH-D15 with LOW TDP cpus - at least with their respective fans.
With my hardware, and using specific fan setups, I've found that the cooling performance is pretty much identical.
Indeed. With only enough heat to reach about 60c (22.15c ambient) isn't pushing cooler to anywhere near it's maximum cooling ability.

While using open bench test station helps, they don't say what ambient temp is where it is taken or when it is recorded. Unless it is air temp entering cooler recorded same time CPU temp is testing accuracy is questionable. Air temp entering cool is changing because heat sources around bench (people, lighting, PSU, CPU, etc) are not constant, but are also changing.

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While using open bench test station helps, they don't say what ambient temp is where it is taken or when it is recorded. Unless it is air temp entering cooler recorded same time CPU temp is testing accuracy is questionable. Air temp entering cool is changing because heat sources around bench (people, lighting, PSU, CPU, etc) are not constant, but are also changing.


Not necessarily relevant to this particular thread....but @doyll and a host of others will get it....

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Not necessarily relevant to this particular thread....but @doyll and a host of others will get it....
Too often peeps look at graphs and data without a thought about how graph and data was acquired. And we know graphs and data are only as good (or bad) as source data and how testing was done.

Any one can make graphs say whatever they want. The don't even need to do any testing, just plug whatever number then want in and up pops a graph.

Same goes for manipulating data or how data is collected .. like 'normalizing sound level to 32dB @ 0.3 meter. which is much quieter than any room any of us have (minimum ambient sound level in quiet room is about 31dB @ 1 meter. 32dB @ 0.3 meter is only 20.54dB @ 1 meter .. much quieter than background noise of very quiet room. So unless you are 0.3m from source you won't hear it at all.

Same goes for cooler testing. Very few testing reviews even monitor air temp entering cooler and record it same time they do CPU temp. But every degree change in air temp entering cooler is same degree change in CPU temp. so if air temp changed 3c from one cooler test to another, then tests results will show 3c difference when really both are cooling the same.

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