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post #1 of 38 (permalink) Old 01-10-2019, 12:06 PM - Thread Starter
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Considering new build

After CES and reading around a bit, left me with some uncertainty. I'm in a situation where I basically have 2 home bases, one with a PC and one not. Though I'm considering a 2nd build for the 2nd location - and hoping to almost mirror certain data between the two stations.

My existing build does JUST the amount I want it to. FFXV maxed out (I believe 1080p - been a sec) runs well but it is RIGHT at it's performance threshold:

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For my 2nd build I was hoping to have a good upgrade path, I've also been an Intel/NVIDIA fan boy for some time. I never did have an issue with AMD Proc's - but just felt better with Intel. However I tend to avoid the GPU's - was never a big fan of the software end of things with my minimal experience with them.

But - now after the news I hit a wall. It sounds like it's going to be Q4 before any new Proc's launch and it's all speculation but... I can't decide to just pick from the current tech on the market - or continue to wait to ensure an upgrade path. Although, for today, I'm not super impressed with RTX at this point although I'd consider getting one. Though, someone like me might benefit more from waiting for the 1100 series cards.

I can get excited and a bit impatient which can screw me down the line so... I wanted to take my anxiety and uncertainties here and see if someone can help me organize my thoughts a bit better on what the "intelligent" decision is at this moment.

Thanks for your time and consideration in advance!

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Its an interesting time. I would suggest a good X470 board so that you could take advantage of the Ryzen 3000 when they do drop. Get a cheap Ryzen chip for now and OC the snot out of it. The GPU is a bit more difficult , a RTX 2060 will be close to a 1080 and it will give you a chance to paly with RTX and DLSS. You will have three new things to play with for six months.


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Buying Intel currently is kind of a dumb move atm. You didn't mention a budget in your post so it's hard to recommend anything... but +1 for good board and a cheaper Ryzen CPU. I'd go for a 2600/1600 or even a 1400 for now and grab the 8 core 3000 series whenever they hit.

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Quote: Originally Posted by martinhal View Post
Its an interesting time. I would suggest a good X470 board so that you could take advantage of the Ryzen 3000 when they do drop. Get a cheap Ryzen chip for now and OC the snot out of it. The GPU is a bit more difficult , a RTX 2060 will be close to a 1080 and it will give you a chance to paly with RTX and DLSS. You will have three new things to play with for six months.
Thanks! Over the last several months, AMD has looked more and more appealing and somewhat excited to personally try their platform. I've made builds with AMD in the past but it was simply budget builds for friends. From watching videos of the early stages of RTX, I just personally wasn't super impressed. However I do know it's early and likely will serve a great purpose in the future but right now it's just tough to pay a premium for the feature at this stage in the game. Although DLSS seems to work magic on FFXV FPS - I hope many more games will support it going forwards!

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Buying Intel currently is kind of a dumb move atm. You didn't mention a budget in your post so it's hard to recommend anything... but +1 for good board and a cheaper Ryzen CPU. I'd go for a 2600/1600 or even a 1400 for now and grab the 8 core 3000 series whenever they hit.
TL;DR - Don't have a max budget - but prefer not paying hundreds/thousands for small performance increases over its predecessors

Sorry, I thought about touching base on budget but I didn't really have one but didn't want to sound like a douche. I know I'm not doing anyone any favors by saying that I like to purchase the best quality I can for the most reasonable price available. Although what is best and reasonable is all preference and personal perspective so again I apologize. Though, for instance... I wouldn't buy a RTX2080Ti brand new off the shelf. My 1080 was the first time I spent $600 on a GPU - I usually tried to hit the 2-300 mark but recently I decided to step my game up a bit.

When the RTX2080 Black Edition went on sale on ebay for $500 after a coupon I should have / would have grabbed that if it wasn't sold out! lol. So basically I like premium - but I don't like paying twice as much for elite status. I don't have a problem buying used, manufacture refrubs or recerts - but if I can get a great deal on new that's obviously better.

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Just wanted to jump in and mention that first gen 8 core Ryzen's are selling for equal to or less than their 4 core counterparts due to inventory clearing sales. I am happy to say I paid just $127 for a new 4.1ghz capable 1700x. As my first time switching from Intel in 15+ years, it runs like a dream.


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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
Just wanted to jump in and mention that first gen 8 core Ryzen's are selling for equal to or less than their 4 core counterparts due to inventory clearing sales. I am happy to say I paid just $127 for a new 4.1ghz capable 1700x. As my first time switching from Intel in 15+ years, it runs like a dream.
I appreciate your input! Thank you!

EDIT: As far as X470 boards... I was curious. I did read somewhere that with intel you can essentially buy a garbage board and still get great performance out of intel chips... Though AMD Proc's were a little more touchy in that regard. Either way... are any specific X470 boards killing it currently? Or one most suited for the upcoming AMD 7nm chips that have been discussed?

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Quote: Originally Posted by blucube View Post
I did read somewhere that with intel you can essentially buy a garbage board and still get great performance out of intel chips

Stop reading whatever you read that from, throw a cheap board under a 9700/9900K and it'll struggle stock

Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 or the AsRock X470 Taichi Ultimate are good bets. I'd go for the AsRock for 10Gb nic and more intuitive BIOS but they're both good boards.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Stop reading whatever you read that from, throw a cheap board under a 9700/9900K and it'll struggle stock

Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 or the AsRock X470 Taichi Ultimate are good bets. I'd go for the AsRock for 10Gb nic and more intuitive BIOS but they're both good boards.
Haha, duly noted. I've enjoyed this AsRock board quite a bit so far! Honestly? In years prior I've ran several Gigabyte Boards and one ASUS Maximus and had troublesome experiences with them. Gigabyte had odd nuances that seemed to revolve around the bios - Where it's been too long ago to remember what beef I had with the ASUS board I remember being pretty disappointed because I expected great things! lol.

Anyhoo... 10GB NIC! Electrical I'm guessing? It's funny as I work for a fiber backhaul provider in the Midwest. The saying is 10G is the new 1G. 100G is the new 10G and so on. Though, "consumer gradely" speaking... it's a wild thought to have a 10GB interface on my desktop PC! I haven't honestly even looked at the pricing on CAT6, CAT6a or 7 pricing let alone the routers/switches capable of those rates for home users. All the 10G handoffs we supply commercially are optical - so believe it or not I actually have no experience with 10G rates over electrical.

Thanks again for you, and everyone elses info! I come and go from here / the PC game quite often so I appreciate the crash courses...

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I'm not a fan of Gigabyte either, their BIOSes are kinda doodoo

Shame really, they're killing it (at least on Z390) with their VRMs and have the best boards at just about every price point. I really do like my Taichi though, first AsRock board I ran since AM3.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
I'm not a fan of Gigabyte either, their BIOSes are kinda doodoo

Shame really, they're killing it (at least on Z390) with their VRMs and have the best boards at just about every price point. I really do like my Taichi though, first AsRock board I ran since AM3.
Agreed, although I have my beefs it is usually a great board to recommend to budget builders I find... I gave a hand me down to a friend that was running my Q6600 - Which as we discussed had strange bios issues but also if I may say build quality issues. Maybe it was just a funked board but a lot of the "static" components wobbled a bit too much for my liking... so much that I believe some of the pins in the PCI housing moved/shifted in such a way that not all the pins were making contact. That was probably the last time I'd consider one for myself for the time being...

I'm not a HUGE OC'er. However, it bothers me when I cannot run games (when I get time to play them) at their max potential. I am/was huge into the FF series so when FFXV released I was stoked. Though it completely destroyed my system - So I migrated away from the GTX970SSC and moved on to the GTX1080. Even then, it wasn't enough. So that's when I decided to start playing around with the CPU clock and started noticing it was making difference, to my novice surprise. I had kind of been under the assumption that you could have a decent CPU - but things such as games more so heavily relied on GPU performance. Though, thats when I did the delid reseal replacing the compound with LM etc. and decided to push the clock as much as I could. Which brings me to the point of my story where I feel I had a really good experience with AsRocks BIOS!

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