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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 03-26-2019, 02:36 PM - Thread Starter
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Thought I was ready for my new build, now I need more advice

Ok, so, first I'm not trying to start any AMD vs Intel flame wars/etc. I started out on AMD, now I'm on Intel, but it's for specific reasons, which brings me to this post.

I had originally planned to go with a Z390 board and i7-9700K. I've been getting some suggestions to wait for the new Ryzen stuff that's coming even though I'm itching to upgrade my 4.5 year old 4790K since I wanted to do it last fall but it didn't work out. The main reason I've been using Intel is due to their single thread performance and IPC being historically much better than AMD and it was needed for proper performance in the flight sims I was using like MS Flightsim X which is heavily CPU bound and created at a time when mulit-core vs faster single core was at a crossroads and MS gambled wrong. Apparently the newer sims that are out now are better partly due to being 64bit but they still apparently pretty heavily lean on IPC and clock speed.

I've been told though that it sounds like the new Ryzen chips will close that gap finally. I was wondering is that really expected to be the case? Will there be other factors besides the performance being similar to make it worth it such as 7nm resulting in cooler CPU's or something? Lastly, would there be expected to be new boards released for it? I wouldn't have any idea what brand/models to go with at this point from the X470 series. The ones I looked at looked similar but maybe not quite as good as the Z390's I was looking at. Things like less rear panel USB or 1-2 less M.2 slots. One thing I liked though was many of the brands and models seem to have two USB 3.0 headers onboard plus USB C which would match well with the CM H500M case I just got that has 4xUSB3 and a USB-C port on the front panel. There's like 1 Z390 board that I found from MSI that did that.

Any advice you guys can give would be really appreciated. I can try to wait if it will be really worth it, but I don't want to wait if it's a "if you wait for X, then you'll just want to wait for Y next and you'll never finish the build" i.e. "there's always going to be something better". If it matters at all, I would plan to keep the build for at least 3 years as far as core components like mobo and CPU, and I would be watercooling for the first time. Again, I'm not trying to start a flamefest here, just after the expected facts and trying to figure out what will/might be the best approach for me at this point.

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 03-26-2019, 02:48 PM
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No one knows the answer to that, but it's looking hopeful. The ES shown off a few months ago was able to match the performance of a 9900K at ~15% less power. Nobody knows specifics on the chips but assuming it was stock vs stock then that's pretty neat.

I only jumped ship off Skylake due to hardware death, or else I'd still be rocking my 6700 waiting for the 7nm Ryzen chips.

Unless your current PC is failing/not able to do the things you need to do, then wait.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
No one knows the answer to that, but it's looking hopeful. The ES shown off a few months ago was able to match the performance of a 9900K at ~15% less power. Nobody knows specifics on the chips but assuming it was stock vs stock then that's pretty neat.

I only jumped ship off Skylake due to hardware death, or else I'd still be rocking my 6700 waiting for the 7nm Ryzen chips.

Unless your current PC is failing/not able to do the things you need to do, then wait.
Yeah I think I'm gonna do that. One of my WoW guildies just told me the 3850X is expected to be a similar price and is 16/32 at 5.1Ghz.

I've also been impatient because I need to do a windows refresh/fresh install because I seem to have something in the background that starts causing frame time spikes and fps drop spikes after the system has been booted for I don't know anywhere from say 8+ hours. It gets so bad the spikes can start happening every 30-45 seconds in some games. I can't find anything rogue in task manager, tried closing a bunch of stuff, virus/malware scans, etc and no go. The only fix is a reboot and it's fine for hours of gaming again.

I didn't want to have to go through a reinstall, only to do it again in a few months on a new system build. I might just have to do it anyway, only install the stuff I really really need right now, then do the full reinstall on the new build whatever the hardware happens to be.

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Takes maybe 20 minutes to reinstall Windows. Just download all the installers you need before you do a reinstall and save it on a separate drive, can knock it out the whole thing in under an hour. Better yet, use something like Chocolatey, Ninite, or Synaptic and it'll do it all for you.

I install all my games on a separate drive from my OS so that's a non-issue, but if you don't you should be able to move them fairly easily.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Takes maybe 20 minutes to reinstall Windows. Just download all the installers you need before you do a reinstall and save it on a separate drive, can knock it out the whole thing in under an hour. Better yet, use something like Chocolatey, Ninite, or Synaptic and it'll do it all for you.

I install all my games on a separate drive from my OS so that's a non-issue, but if you don't you should be able to move them fairly easily.
Yeah it's just the process of reinstalling all the games, photo editing stuff, etc. If I reinstall Flightsim X I literally have like 100GB+ of hi res scenery, texture, and airplane addons that have to be reinstalled as well. I know the Windows part is easy, it's what comes after that I dread lol.

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Even if the folders are there with stuff in them, still need to run the installers to get registry entries/system files/etc. put back in.

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Yeah for Blizzard stuff it's pretty easy too, just install Battle.net and point it to where the previously installed game is still sitting. The Flightsim is on Steam actually, but the tons of addons are all from 3rd party vendors or even freeware sites where it's manual downloads. It's definitely easier now than it used to be overall, and the flightsim stuff some of those vendors have their own Steam/Battle.net type downloader things that will install all your paid for stuff after you log into it. It's just the hassle of downloading and waiting for that much data to install and then potentially doing it again just a couple months later. That's why I'm thinking if I do it to the current system I'll just put the basic stuff I'm currently using in the next couple months back on it. Since I went to 1440 I can't really use the sim that great anyway unless I start lowering eye candy or use a less resource intensive addon plane. Some of them are full blown sims in the background on top of the sim itself because they're literally modeling all the aircraft systems like the real thing.

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I'd stick to your current chip for now, for one more go around.

I just upgraded to 9700k from a 4930k. I ended up going with the cheapest board & memory possible so I can skate by for a year or two.



I would'a stuck with the 4930k but I needed to make a PC appear as a gift for someone over the holidays. So I got it all cleaned up & transferred into a different case

best computer the person has ever owned. They're so stoked playing their MMO's in 4K w/ just a 1070 & 6 year old chip \


also windows 10 migration is pretty painless. It'll even license some old outta compliance OS installs still.
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Ok well I'm going to hold off for sure and see. Still going to have some fun though with the old system. Since my new case is here I'm going to move the old parts to it. The bonus to waiting on the build for up to July is I now have a MUCH larger budget for the watercooling that I was going to do for the first time ever. So I'm going to grab some parts and swap the current rig to water. Should be fun, the Maximus Formula VII that I have also has a built in hybrid air/water block on the VRM's

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