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post #51 of 72 (permalink) Old 05-15-2019, 07:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
Computex by the way starts on the 28th of may so thats a day less than two weeks away from today
Indeed. Was just mailed this link by AMD;
https://www.amd.com/en/events/computex
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So just as a refresher, all of those kits are the exact same RAM and the ones rated with a higher XMP profile of mhz and latencies are simply programmed that way by the manufacturer, and are supposed to be based on results from binning. And this binning process, is it accurate or indicative or OC results?

XMP is just a factory overclock really, isn't it? I got really crazy into ram overclocks, don't want to go down that rabbit hole again... would pass 24 hour stress tests and then flake on it 5 minutes in randomly another time.
No all of those kits use Samsung B-die RAM chips in varying configurations. They are binned. No one knows really how each module manufacturer binns their chips. For example people buying 3200 CL14 G.Skill RAM have had similar results with kits rated 3600+. Generally though the higher rated kits are binned higher. B-die's benefits lie in lower latency than any other IC. If you don't want to hassle with tweaking than use XMP. Really if you are not going to tweak them just grab a 3200 CL14 B-die set and call it a day.

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You're upgrading for games that don't yet exist, and that's fine but its not an efficient way to upgrade economically, even if you plan to spend a lot.

Lets say you get a $3000 PC tomorrow. It's not really going to be all that much better for gaming than just getting a 4th gen i7 for any games out right now and any games that will come out before PS5. If you get a $3000 PC when PS5 comes out and when games come out that start to actually use more CPU power than a 4770k can deliver, then you will get a better PC in the end just because it will be a few generations newer. "future-proofing" your PC for gaming just means you either spend more or get less. Given that you buy a 4770K and sell your i5 and only spend about $80 in the end to get 95% of the experience a 9900K system would give you for games and then do a big upgrade later and have an even better PC when you actually need it, it seems like the smarter option.

Unless you want to play at 240hz or something, a 9900k is total overkill.

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You're upgrading for games that don't yet exist, and that's fine but its not an efficient way to upgrade economically, even if you plan to spend a lot.

Lets say you get a $3000 PC tomorrow. It's not really going to be all that much better for gaming than just getting a 4th gen i7 for any games out right now and any games that will come out before PS5. If you get a $3000 PC when PS5 comes out and when games come out that start to actually use more CPU power than a 4770k can deliver, then you will get a better PC in the end just because it will be a few generations newer. "future-proofing" your PC for gaming just means you either spend more or get less. Given that you buy a 4770K and sell your i5 and only spend about $80 in the end to get 95% of the experience a 9900K system would give you for games and then do a big upgrade later and have an even better PC when you actually need it, it seems like the smarter option.

Unless you want to play at 240hz or something, a 9900k is total overkill.
He's upgrading because he wants to and he wants the top performing system now to use for several years. He wants to stream as well. 4770K is waaaay outdated in performance now.

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Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
You're upgrading for games that don't yet exist, and that's fine but its not an efficient way to upgrade economically, even if you plan to spend a lot.



Lets say you get a $3000 PC tomorrow. It's not really going to be all that much better for gaming than just getting a 4th gen i7 for any games out right now and any games that will come out before PS5. If you get a $3000 PC when PS5 comes out and when games come out that start to actually use more CPU power than a 4770k can deliver, then you will get a better PC in the end just because it will be a few generations newer. "future-proofing" your PC for gaming just means you either spend more or get less. Given that you buy a 4770K and sell your i5 and only spend about $80 in the end to get 95% of the experience a 9900K system would give you for games and then do a big upgrade later and have an even better PC when you actually need it, it seems like the smarter option.



Unless you want to play at 240hz or something, a 9900k is total overkill.


Upgrading to top of the line is never economical. You can always find a reason to wait to upgrade.

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Upgrading to top of the line is never economical. You can always find a reason to wait to upgrade.
Sure, but doing it a year or so before a new console has to be the absolute worst time to do a major upgrade like this. A time where no games that would take advantage of the newer hardware exist, and by the time they do, there will be better hardware for cheaper.

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So... 9900k vs the new ryzen?
It's quite obvious the new Ryzen is the better deal.
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