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I also agree with his distaste for the plastic PGA socket. They get brittle over years of heavy use due to high socket temps and are prone to literally disintegrating when you try to swap CPUs.

I went with 3700x this time around because I don't want to lock into a 9900k with no upgrade path, but had to point that out, I wish AMD would step it up to a socket that can endure years of high temperatures and a handful of CPU swaps. I still bench and beat on my 775 board regularly and that socket is literally bulletproof.

(note this shouldn't matter for normal use, especially people who set and forget their CPU -- i'm talking 5 years of use and 5+ CPU swaps, but they do get brittle and come apart if you aren't careful)

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So, I have never seen the Plastic Sockets Disintegrate, and I still have The Old Phenom and Athlon Boards and especially that Phenom Chip I put through hell, but I have a few in the garage, and I live in Vegas, so if anything makes them disintegrate then this constant heat should do it. That said, if thats the experience you have with them, if I had that same experience I would share your distaste with them. I again have never seen that, but if that is a problem then thats definitely a good reason to avoid them. Because they don't look as sleek, when your water block or big ass heatsink will be concealing it, well I find that a bit silly, but I also could just be out of touch...

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I like the visual aspects of DIMM slots on either side of the CPU socket - I don't think there's anything wrong with that? It's akin to having a favourite color - it's a visual opinion and not objectively correct/incorrect. Motherboard visuals and performance do not have to be mutually exclusive.




Yeah I don't disagree with that at all, was just saying what I noticed as it happened a lot with the VEGA release.




Don't really disagree with anything in that either, apart from having a bias towards a company which I personally don't understand.


I think you did miss that I was talking about OCN/PC community in general in addition to your post - but that wasn't really obvious from my side to be fair.




Looks matter to me, and like I stated before they rarely are mutually exclusive options these days.

Of slight relevance would be me getting my Z390 Aorus Master; I do prefer other Z390 designs and wasn't a fan of Gigabyte from bad past experiences. However, it's features, components and performance made it too much of a compelling purchase against the rival motherboards.
Yeah don't mind me, I was being a snob. I completely understand the symmetry on both sides looking better, I have just never heard it used as a justification for picking one platform over another and I decided to be a dick about it.

As far as the bias, I completely understand, I think people who value one company over another is completely stupid, every product should be looked at on a case by case basis with no regards towards who makes the product, and evaluated on the merits. A company's one objective is to make money and could care less about you, so its stupid to blindly buy just because one company makes it over the other.

That said, I personally do just that, and live by it, but I am also aware of myself enough to know that I will always go toward an AMD Product first, I guess because of Marketing that I fall for, or because they have always been the underdog, I don't know exactly why, but I do know that with myself I do tend to lean towards AMD. The difference between me and a lot of blind fan boys (Of AMD, Intel, NVidia, or any of the rest) is that I recognize that, and will pull myself out of that before making a decision to evaluate the true merits of what it is I am purchasing for myself or a client. So having a bias, I ultimately can understand because I know I have one, but being blindly loyal, that is what I wish there was less of, but there is a lot of people out there who just think with there emotions unfortunately, not sure there is much the rest of us can do to change that.

Anyways, I agree with pretty much everything you said, even that I often find Intel Boards more aesthetically pleasing. Personally I though Gigabytes Z390 Boards were so damn Sexy, with those actual Nickel Plated Copper Heatsinks! I fell in LOVE! So much that on my 9900K Build I made them the center peice. So Believe me I understand it, I just did my research first to make sure they could properly drive my 9900K to its limit without issue, and thankfully it could or I wouldn't have got it. So you can of course achieve both, I think I just have a hard time understanding deciding to go with a more expensive platform simply because I like the way it looks better. Now once I have chosen a platform for whatever reason, finding a set of boards that perform the best on that platform, and then choosing the one that looks the best, I understand that, but simply choosing something because it looks good alone, I just find that hard to fathom. But I also shouldn't be such a snob, ultimately you should always do what you think is best for you, damned what any other ******* on the internet says or thinks.

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So, I have never seen the Plastic Sockets Disintegrate, and I still have The Old Phenom and Athlon Boards and especially that Phenom Chip I put through hell, but I have a few in the garage, and I live in Vegas, so if anything makes them disintegrate then this constant heat should do it. That said, if thats the experience you have with them, if I had that same experience I would share your distaste with them. I again have never seen that, but if that is a problem then thats definitely a good reason to avoid them. Because they don't look as sleek, when your water block or big ass heatsink will be concealing it, well I find that a bit silly, but I also could just be out of touch...
It's not a distaste enough for me to stop buying them, hence why I grabbed the X570 Aorus Pro, I just have to agree with him that they could be better. I'm in the southeast (~90F right now) and used to keep them in the garage.. Not sure ambient is the issue. In fact now that I'm thinking about it, most of my failures happened with AM3+ boards running FX 4-8 core CPUs. The socket temps on those when overclocked gets massive to the point where you can barely run them without strapping a fan to the backplate. I did a good bit of benching those and had a few sockets become very brittle and literally fall to pieces when lifting the CPU locking arm.

I don't recall any issues with my older AM2+ and AM3 boards running athlons and phenoms, they just weren't cranking out nearly as much power. So I guess I could modify my comment to say that I don't believe these sockets can withstand 5 years of running way above ambient.

I'm running an Asus M5A99FX Pro r.2 right now with a noctua nhd15 on it, with all my tabs going in the browser and the AC cranked in the house, the package temps are low enough to where they just bug out showing 24C, but the socket temp is 40C and this is only at 4.2ghz, with a 120mm fan zip tied to the backplate. At 4.5ghz and without that fan the socket will shoot right up towards 80C and stay there while the CPU is barely 50. I think it's years of temps like that capable of wearing the socket out.

Don't care about looks obviously, I just think the metal lid on 775 and above is far more durable than the plastic AMD socket.

Anyway, maybe that is just my test sample of 1 person issue, but it's happened a number of times.

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It's not a distaste enough for me to stop buying them, hence why I grabbed the X570 Aorus Pro, I just have to agree with him that they could be better. I'm in the southeast (~90F right now) and used to keep them in the garage.. Not sure ambient is the issue. In fact now that I'm thinking about it, most of my failures happened with AM3+ boards running FX 4-8 core CPUs. The socket temps on those when overclocked gets massive to the point where you can barely run them without strapping a fan to the backplate. I did a good bit of benching those and had a few sockets become very brittle and literally fall to pieces when lifting the CPU locking arm.

I don't recall any issues with my older AM2+ and AM3 boards running athlons and phenoms, they just weren't cranking out nearly as much power. So I guess I could modify my comment to say that I don't believe these sockets can withstand 5 years of running way above ambient.

I'm running an Asus M5A99FX Pro r.2 right now with a noctua nhd15 on it, with all my tabs going in the browser and the AC cranked in the house, the package temps are low enough to where they just bug out showing 24C, but the socket temp is 40C and this is only at 4.2ghz, with a 120mm fan zip tied to the backplate. At 4.5ghz and without that fan the socket will shoot right up towards 80C and stay there while the CPU is barely 50. I think it's years of temps like that capable of wearing the socket out.

Don't care about looks obviously, I just think the metal lid on 775 and above is far more durable than the plastic AMD socket.

Anyway, maybe that is just my test sample of 1 person issue, but it's happened a number of times.
Yeah, that makes sense. Thats funny, I have a "Server" thats an FX Build, that used to use that VERY MOBO, now its on the Sabertooth 990FX R3, but I LITERALLY JUST retired it, in favor of this new Intel 6850k Build I just setup. I didn't bother to check either Socket after, both of them are sitting in my office with their Coolers and Chips still mounted to the board. The M5A99FX Pro R2 with the fx-8350 that probably got beat up the most, ran that build from Jan 2013 (when I finally gave up on the promise of FX for Gaming) until April 2017 with an Overclock of 4.9Ghz on a Hyper 212 Evo, I finally have a few Caps on the Board Blow in April, and that when I bought the Sabertooth 990FX Board because it was the best I could find to get the damn rig back up and running, and I remember Newegg had a steal on it, it was right after the launch of Ryzen and I was able to get it and a FX 9590 for $175, so I did and threw them in the Rig with a Corsair H100i and ran that OC'd to 5.2Ghz until less than a Week ago when I finally switched it all over to the i7-6850k. I wonder if either of my sockets are messed up, I am going to check it out and let you know. These chips held up good for what they were, I personally HATED using them, ESPECIALLY without an SSD, but I basically needed the build to run my Storage and CableCard Cable TV Recording/Plex/Kodi Server that I use to serve up TV to my entire House. It also automatically converted all TV Recordings to h264 and then later h265 while not recording TV, and because I have 18 Tuners, it meant this server literally ran at 65 to 95% usage at all times, 24/7 a day for almost 7 Years. I bet that plastic is all brittle now. Will let you know. (I can say I am happy with the new setup now that I am finished setting it all up in their separate VMs, the Handbrake encoding literally takes almost half the time to Convert which is awesome.) Anyways, will shut up now!

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It's not a distaste enough for me to stop buying them, hence why I grabbed the X570 Aorus Pro, I just have to agree with him that they could be better. I'm in the southeast (~90F right now) and used to keep them in the garage.. Not sure ambient is the issue. In fact now that I'm thinking about it, most of my failures happened with AM3+ boards running FX 4-8 core CPUs. The socket temps on those when overclocked gets massive to the point where you can barely run them without strapping a fan to the backplate. I did a good bit of benching those and had a few sockets become very brittle and literally fall to pieces when lifting the CPU locking arm.

I don't recall any issues with my older AM2+ and AM3 boards running athlons and phenoms, they just weren't cranking out nearly as much power. So I guess I could modify my comment to say that I don't believe these sockets can withstand 5 years of running way above ambient.

I'm running an Asus M5A99FX Pro r.2 right now with a noctua nhd15 on it, with all my tabs going in the browser and the AC cranked in the house, the package temps are low enough to where they just bug out showing 24C, but the socket temp is 40C and this is only at 4.2ghz, with a 120mm fan zip tied to the backplate. At 4.5ghz and without that fan the socket will shoot right up towards 80C and stay there while the CPU is barely 50. I think it's years of temps like that capable of wearing the socket out.

Don't care about looks obviously, I just think the metal lid on 775 and above is far more durable than the plastic AMD socket.

Anyway, maybe that is just my test sample of 1 person issue, but it's happened a number of times.
I stand Corrected! Dude, I have never seen this before, but you learn something new every day. Yeah I agree, they should switch over to a more durable socket, this is ridiculous!

So my Sabertooth Socket is completely fine, but the board is barely 2 years old, so I would expect that. The M5A99FX on the other hand. I just heated it up with a heatgun like I always do when demounting a cooler on an AM2/3/4 Socket, we all know even the best Thermal Paste acts like Glue on these damn chips and I have had to fix the Pins on too many AMD Chips, so I just use the Hot Gun Method to heat up the Paste, then the Cooler comes right off without Pulling the Chip out of the Socket. Anyways, I lift up the retention arm after it cooled down, picked up the Chip, then when I put the arm back down It literally came out of the socket. Never seen that **** before. When trying to put it back in I broke more of the socket. This **** is brittle as hell. So Yeah man, you are absolutely right. I got curious and threw it on the test bench, put the chip back in it, you have to fiddle with where the retention bracket is supposed to be to get the holes on the socket to open up, but once the chip is mounted inside it still boots up, so at least the board still works, but yeah any resell value this board has is gone now (granted it probably had none to begin with, but still.)

So yeah, just wanted to let you know, I tested it and you are absolutely right. It does appear that the Sabertooth is using a much more durable plastic, so I am not sure if the same would happen in this case, but knowing that the Socket itself is usually manufactured at a third party distributor, there probably isn't more then a handful of choices to get these sockets from, lets hope that these Expensive x570 Board Makers are choosing a more Durable Socket option to purchase and incorporate in their designs...

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Also Ryzen 3000 is fast and low power but I don't think it's cool at all, it's just made from low grade reject server chips, where as the 5960x is a top quality, complete chip.
This is only relative to the CPUs of the same architecture, manufactured on the same manufacturing process.
These are two completely different CPUs on two completely different manufacturing processes.

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Also there's nothing "advanced" about fans on chipsets.
You can run it on an X470 board. X570 just gives you PCI-E 4.0, basically. And you're already going without PCI-E 4.0 with a 5960X.

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They can't even bother to make an effective heat sink because they want their boards to look like alien space ships.
Well yeah, but that's not up to AMD, that's up to the motherboard manufacturers.

Besides, I wouldn't classify the heatsinks on the Rampage V to be 'real heatsinks' either. They were definitely designed for looks over function.

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Also I think you're underestimating Intel, the 5960x is a match for Zen+ not Zen1 considering the clock speed advantages.
A 5960X doesn't reach the clock speeds that a 9900K does. You might get 4.2-4.4 out of it, which is not much more than Zen+ gets.

I know, because I still have a 5960X, which I've run for like 4 years. I'll be replacing it with either the 3950X, or one of the ThreadRippers.


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I have both the 5960x and a ryzen 3600, guess which one is going to get gaming dedicated.(not Intel) Intels older CPUs are losing ground thanks to security flaws. To each their own I suppose...
This was one of the reasons why I actually went AMD. Don't get me wrong, there may be security issues that my hit AMD in the future (hopefully not), but how the last security breach was handled and how it impacted most Intel based systems, it made it quite easy for me to make the swap.

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I stand Corrected! Dude, I have never seen this before, but you learn something new every day. Yeah I agree, they should switch over to a more durable socket, this is ridiculous!

So my Sabertooth Socket is completely fine, but the board is barely 2 years old, so I would expect that. The M5A99FX on the other hand. I just heated it up with a heatgun like I always do when demounting a cooler on an AM2/3/4 Socket, we all know even the best Thermal Paste acts like Glue on these damn chips and I have had to fix the Pins on too many AMD Chips, so I just use the Hot Gun Method to heat up the Paste, then the Cooler comes right off without Pulling the Chip out of the Socket. Anyways, I lift up the retention arm after it cooled down, picked up the Chip, then when I put the arm back down It literally came out of the socket. Never seen that **** before. When trying to put it back in I broke more of the socket. This **** is brittle as hell. So Yeah man, you are absolutely right. I got curious and threw it on the test bench, put the chip back in it, you have to fiddle with where the retention bracket is supposed to be to get the holes on the socket to open up, but once the chip is mounted inside it still boots up, so at least the board still works, but yeah any resell value this board has is gone now (granted it probably had none to begin with, but still.)

So yeah, just wanted to let you know, I tested it and you are absolutely right. It does appear that the Sabertooth is using a much more durable plastic, so I am not sure if the same would happen in this case, but knowing that the Socket itself is usually manufactured at a third party distributor, there probably isn't more then a handful of choices to get these sockets from, lets hope that these Expensive x570 Board Makers are choosing a more Durable Socket option to purchase and incorporate in their designs...
That's pretty nuts it just happened to you too.. Same with mine, was able to get it to boot if I slid the socket back in place and then tightened the heatsink but I ended up just throwing the board in the garbage.. I think this issue goes mostly under the radar because most people only install the CPU once in the boards entire life and get rid of it afterwards (usually with the CPU still installed).

It doesn't mean AMD has to ditch PGA for LGA, but I would really like it if they came up with a new retention mechanism, preferably not made of cheap plastic.

Hopefully the socket doesn't run as hot on ryzen 3000 CPUs, but if the core temps are any indicator, it's quite possible I'll have the same issue down the line. Not sure if any change in material since AM3+ has been done, my new Aorus x570 looks the same to me.

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I myself pretty much prefer PGA, too many LGA boards with magically bent pins. The worst problem is that you pull the CPU together with the cooler sometimes.

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Ryzen 2 isn't always faster than a 9900K so I paid $550CAD for a 5960X.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Buris View Post
If you didn't have enough money to buy Ryzen 3000 just say it, but don't make up excuses trying to justify your purchase. X570 is superior to your current motherboard in every imaginable way, even in memory bandwidth, unless you specifically disable all the security patches. I also assure you my Aorus Master X570 has better VRM's than your motherboard, especially when you take into account the degradation of your board.

With that being said, you definitely got a deal.
So you think I have enough for TR3000 but not Ryzen 3000? No, I just don't like it.
Why would I need better VRMs on CPUs that use much less power?

X570 is superior in most technical ways but totally inferior in aesthetics.

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You chose an outdated architecture with more and more security flaws appearing instead of a newer architecture that has room for improvement.

DDR4 pricing? Fine tune a memory overclock and you can purchase lower speed kits and push them for even more performance.

To be fair, you're thinking like a gamer, and acting like one. Hurr durr this benchmark, that benchmark. It's not like there is a difference in unzipping a compressed file on 5960x and Ryzen 3? Oh woops, real world usage =/= gamer.
The security flaws don't matter to home users a single bit, they're worrisome for attacks on other virtual machines running on the same computer.
RAM stick manufacturers bin their stuff, you can't just buy cheap ram, run a higher profile and have the same thing as more expensive RAM.
what? unzip? isn't that storage speed limited?

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