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Upgrading CPU

I recently upgraded to a MSI RTX 2080, but my CPU is still a i7-3770K, so I'd like to upgrade.


Intel?
I don't think going i9-9900 is worth the money, or is it compared to i7-9700? I'm talking about good performance now (to compliment the RTX) and having some longevity (say 5 to 6 years).


AMD?
I hear good things about AMD, of course. So there's Ryzen 7 3700x (4,4GHz). A 3800x (4,5GHz) doesn't seem to offer much for an increased price of currently 50 Euro, or does it?

The AMD has 16 threads, more than Intel's 8 threads, but I still hear that the i7-9700 outperforms the 3700x in games. I assume more threads are better for work/content creation (video, graphical)? My focus would be gaming performance.


Cooler?
The AMD is said to have a good cooler shipped with it. My current cooler is a Noctua NH-D14. Is it better than the AMD cooler, or sufficient in case of the i7?


Mainboard?
I hear that the MSI X570 is recommended for Ryzen. Is it overkill for Ryzen 7? Is it still good for i7-9700, or are there better alternatives suited for an Intel chip?


RAM?
I'd go with 32GB DDR4 of course. Which would be a good option?


GHz?
So there are 3,9GHz options and 4,4GHz or 4,5GHz (I think 4,9GHz and 5,0GHz for i9). I guess higher is better, but worth the price? I assume higher GHz is basically a factory overclock?


Should mention that I tend to play Star Citizen. An unoptimized and performance intensive "tech demo" at this current point, so I'd like to have a system that would be sufficient for that. And as mentioned before, I'd like something that has some longevity to it, which is why I don't opt for the cheapest solution.


I know it's a lot of generic questions, so I'd appreciate at least a hint into the right direction.



Edit
Forgot to mention that my case is an old "Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced". I'd like to keep it, but already had to modify it to fit in my huge 2080 Gaming X Trio. Will internal space be a problem with the new mainboard?

I also would like to keep the fans. Got one in the rear, one front, and I think two Salman's (one on the side and one at the top). I assume they can be reused?

Edit 2
I should mention also that I have a 4k monitor and intend to game at 4k. Freesync is also in use.

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The Ryzen 7 3700x significantly outperforms the i7 9700K in games. My money is on the 3700x for a pure gaming machine.

The Noctua cooler is a nice upgrade from the stock AMD cooler.

32gb ram is more than sufficient. You could even game quite nicely on 16gb. I tend to recommend the Crucial Ballistix LT memory.

Dunno about the motherboard, sorry.

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
The Ryzen 7 3700x significantly outperforms the i7 9700K in games. My money is on the 3700x for a pure gaming machine.
I'm sorry... what?


Going back to topic - 9900k stands for more longevity with its hyperthreading and has more L3 cache, that lets it jump away from 9700k. 3800X is completely waste of cash, if you intend to play Star Citizen then Intel is your way to go, if you want max performance. Ryzen is good as well but Intel still holds ground as fastest CPUs for games. D14 is a top tier air cooler, it will do very good on every CPU, as for motherboard, issue is with VRMs. If you're not in a hurry, then there is MSI X570 Unify coming, very good unit, as for Intel motherboard - Asrock Z390 Extreme4/MSI Z390 Gaming Edge or Asrock Z390 Taichi are the best choice. Next step is Asus Z390 Extreme.


For your use case, you'd welcome 32GB RAM with at least 3600MHz CL16/17 clocks. PC case of yours is a rather heat holder but there won't be issue with spacing as it's still the same ATX standard nowadays.

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I'm sorry... what?
It does. If we were comparing the 9900k then that's a different story.

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
32gb ram is more than sufficient. You could even game quite nicely on 16gb.

16GB so far was no problem, but you need more for Star Citizen. I had 16GB and put in additional 8GB and performance improved, so in that particular case I need more and it also gives me room for the future.


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The Ryzen 7 3700x significantly outperforms the i7 9700K in games. My money is on the 3700x for a pure gaming machine.
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I'm sorry... what?

See, that's the thing. I hear the i7 has better benchmarks in games than the 3700x, despite fewer threads. The 3700x is considered to be superior to the i7 for a performance intensive work station.
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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
It does. If we were comparing the 9900k then that's a different story.

No, that's bullcrap. It does not in any extend surpass 9700k in games.

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Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
No, that's bullcrap. It does not in any extend surpass 9700k in games.

Yeah, 9700k seems to have generally more FPS. I think the 3700x runs cooler in turn.

I also wonder if there's not an upgrade to the Intel chips regarding thread count on the horizon? Might lower the price of the current chips.



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What resolution are you playing at?

I forgot to mention, but edited the first post. I have a 4k monitor and intend to use it. So 3840x2160 is it. Also Freesync enabled.

Btw, nice setup you got there. What is your opinion on 3900x vs 9900k?

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
It does. If we were comparing the 9900k then that's a different story.
Sauce this...

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I see there's such thing as a i7-9700K and i7-9700KF. What is the difference?
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