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So I am planning on selling my 6months old GE75-9sf for a Desktop as its a hot garbage mess (MSI's fault and not the specs) was wondering will a 3900x-3950x @ 4.5 with 3800mhz ram (tight timing) with FCLK at 1900 match a 5Ghz 9900k? I want to get a ryzen chip but as gaming will be the main objective of this build I am a little worried.

And what can we hope for multi-core optimization from games? Am I dump think that one day the 12-16 cores will perform better in gaming compared to the 9900k?

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4.5 Ghz all core on any Ryzen CPU is optimistic at best. It would be better to aim for 4.2-4.3Ghz.

Ryzen will do great for gaming, but if gaming is all you're doing, an i9 9900k(s) will be faster. It is possible that in the future, a 12 or 16 core Ryzen will be faster, but considering that very few games use more than about 6 cores, I wouldn't count on it any time soon.




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how would any of us know how one processor ages compared to the other? unfortunately our magic 8 balls stop working more than a few months into the future.

9900K makes zero sense unless do work that utilizes Quick Sync. Get a 3700X/3800X or get a 3900X is you want a bit more. If you just game, take the 3900X off the list and buy a game or two with the money you save.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post
4.5 Ghz all core on any Ryzen CPU is optimistic at best. It would be better to aim for 4.2-4.3Ghz.

Ryzen will do great for gaming, but if gaming is all you're doing, an i9 9900k(s) will be faster. It is possible that in the future, a 12 or 16 core Ryzen will be faster, but considering that very few games use more than about 6 cores, I wouldn't count on it any time soon.
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how would any of us know how one processor ages compared to the other? unfortunately our magic 8 balls stop working more than a few months into the future.

9900K makes zero sense unless do work that utilizes Quick Sync. Get a 3700X/3800X or get a 3900X is you want a bit more. If you just game, take the 3900X off the list and buy a game or two with the money you save.




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Hahaha, I know its impossible to know but was looking for a little bit of guidance , Shelling 500 for the 9900k feels wrong. I tried justifying it but I can't, After reading around I feel that an optimized 3900x will be within spitting distance from the 9900k (As if its not already) in gaming which will makes the machine munch through anything with ease if needed.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
Thanks for the Info.



Hahaha, I know its impossible to know but was looking for a little bit of guidance , Shelling 500 for the 9900k feels wrong. I tried justifying it but I can't, After reading around I feel that an optimized 3900x will be within spitting distance from the 9900k (As if its not already) in gaming which will makes the machine munch through anything with ease if needed.
Recent HWUB video with the 3950X vs 9900KS with tweaked 3600 DDR4 puts the 3950X about 4% behind over an average of 18 games @ 1080p. 3733 or 3800 on the mem/IF may close the gap a bit more.

9900k is pretty pointless unless you're part of that 0.000000000001% that needs 4 more FPS to still be below 240fps for your mondo098320498billionaredubwubstep 240hz monitor.

3700X and 3900X are very solid CPU's; 3800X will be marginally better than the 3700X in ST scenarios (ive seen a couple hit 4.625ghz with PBO [3800X]), whether or not its worth the extra over the 3700X is up to you. 3950X seems a tad overkill in this case, if the budget is there and you like to splurge on your hobby go for it.

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3700 and 3800 are within spitting distance of a 9900K already and in the titles they lose at the margins are so little it makes no difference. even in a few games like CS:GO (which has always been an Intel title) they outperform it.

the only advantage the 9900K has over the 3700/3800X is in clock speed and in memory latency, both which generally matter very little in resolutions higher than 1080p.

there's been people claiming that there is a fairly significant difference between the 3700 and 3800X when it comes to OCing but I haven't dug too much into it. Maybe look into that and see if it's worth spending a few more dollars for but otherwise I wouldn't even be considering Intel for a gaming rig right now.

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re OP: For strictly gaming, I wouldn't really say going above 8 cores is going to help any time soon. By the time it really does show any benefit, you'll probably just wish you had the next gen CPU anyway. It looks like ryzen 3 is coming in 2020. I'm hoping AMD drops yet another big performance boost on the 4000 series before I throw all my chips in on a super high core count.

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I would absolutely not buy the 3800x over a 3700x personally. Maybe during the recent sales it was worth it, but certainly not worth the $399 msrp. It's senseless at that price level to not jump up to the 3900x and get twice the memory write bandwidth and 50% more cores, AND higher clocks on your first CCX than the 3700x is capable of anyway. $100 more to completely wipe the floor with the 3700x/3800x.

Ignoring silicon god tier 3800x lotto, from what I've seen the best you can expect with a serious overclock with reasonable cooling is ~0-3% above a 3700x in actual game use. Perhaps a bit more in AVX loads since the 3700x has a rough time topping 4150mhz at reasonable voltages under AVX. Nothing to write home about. I think being lucky enough to hit 1900 fclock is the real silicon lotto this gen.



tl;dr cheap out and buy 3600x/3700x [and consider selling those to upgrade again to a ryzen 3 next year] or spring the extra money for the 3900x and maybe the multicore will make it better than the existing 8 core competition later..

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Speaking realistically, How luck will i buy if I get a very good x570 mobo with Nice ram kit and just upgrade the CPU next year? why do I have a feeling that AMD will find the reason to make x570 EOL because of *DDR5* or some other shenanigans.

So if you were in my place should I just take a 3600x/3700x with a 570 mobo some 3800mhz cl16 ram pair that with a 2080/s, call it a day and pray that AMDs 2020 support talk is real and I will be able to upgrade to a 4800x/4900x?

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you shouldn't assume that the next gen Ryzen CPU will be compatible with X570 because AMD never said it would be, they said the AM4 socket would stay until 2020 back when the 1000 series launched and we've hit that point already (well, almost). there already have been some boards that couldn't be updated to support the 3000 series.

if you're not going to run anything over a 3600 or 3700 then you can get away with a cheaper B450 board assuming you don't want PCI-E Gen 4.

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