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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 05-29-2020, 10:00 AM - Thread Starter
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Upgrade Bad Idea?

Hi over the years I have read this forum every now and then and found it very helpful but I never posted as my questions were usaully answered. However this time I need some advice as it is difficult to read through a lot of offtopic chat, flame wars and other name calling stuff. So my issue is that I have been running my pc for about 5 years now and wanted to upgrade and possibly pass this system to a family member. My current system specs are:

CPU: Intel i7 5930K 4.5ghz OCed
MB: Msi X99 Titanium
RAM: 32 GB Avexir DDR4 2400mhz
SSD: 256 GB Nvme and 1TB Samsung 860 Evo sata
HDD: 1TB Toshiba Drive
PSU: 1300W EVGA G2
GPU: EVGA SC2 GTX1080 Ti in SLi

The system is currently watercooled in a custom loop. The loop contains 2x 480 35mm EK Rads and x2 D5 EK Pumps with both CPU and GPU blocks. When I say pass this system I mean the CPU, MB and RAM and I will be moving the other components over to the new build. I am looking at a x299 platform as I enjoyed this x99 platform which has served me well. The CPU i am looking at is the i9 10980xe but I am also looking at the 3950x but the x570 MB prices are similar to the x299 platform. Is it a good idea to upgrade now and how much would the performance gain be? I really like tweeking and overclocking and cooling the beastly i9 10980xe will not be an issue. The reason I am comparing the x299 vs the x570 is because:
1. MB prices are similar between the two platforms
2. I liked the extra PCie lanes on the HEDT platform
3. PCie gen 4 feels pointless right now
4. The chipset fan on the x570 is a huge turn off (x570 owners please let me know your experience)
5. x570 is slightly cheaper but i do not have a CPU block that fits the AM4 socket!
Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Thanks
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post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-02-2020, 08:31 AM
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I have 2x X99 platforms with i7 5960X and i7 6950X. I have upgraded both to X570 and Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 9 3950X and I have not regret doing that. The chipset fan "issue" is so overrated, that fan is near dead silent and it's so on all my 3 X570 boards (Asus Strix X570F Gaming, Asus Prime X570 Pro, Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI).
The performance gains SIGNIFICANT in multitasking jobs and things like videoediting, rendering etc. I can render a 4K video and game at the same time without losing a bunch of FPS.
If you only plan on gaming, then an upgrade to either X299 or X570 rather pointless. Sure you gain a few extra FPS here and there, but that is not really where you get the bang for your buck.
You may consider upgrading X99 setup with a Broadwell-E like 8 core / 16 thread 6900K or 10 core / 20 thread 6950X if you can find them for a reasonable price.

Overclocking and tweaking - you may be able to tinker a bit more on the X299 platform, but it really isn't in the same league as the old X99. X570 with Ryzen 9 CPUs is more about getting the highest all core clock to work, since the XFR and PBO tech really push the cpu a lot on its own.

So basically if you should upgrade really depends on what you're doing with your PC.

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Question is, what will you want to do with it.

For production, the high core count ryzens are outstanding and frankly, more CPU than people need. I changed from a 6700k to a 3900x and it has about 4x the throughput. Games, not so much. (lots of benchmarks out there to review).

I can use all the cores as I do a lot of heavy multithread programming and other production tasks, but its still more CPU that I can use.

Remember also, multi-gpu is basically dead. It only matters in benchmarks and a few old games. New stuff rarely supports it. So, all those extra PCI lanes need to be reallocated to something more useful to justify HEDT platforms. Hoping for more FPS through a HEDT just doesnt happen anymore. Lots of benches are showing low on the stack chips out performing mid/high on the stack cpus in games. sub-$200 CPUs are killing the performance of top end cpus from just 2-3 years ago. Its not even close most the time.

Gaming, I recommend something around the power of a 3600 or equivalent intel. Take the savings and put it into a GPU, it will impact the FPS more than the CPU will on resolutions over 1080p.

Production...it depends on your software. Can it use more than 8 physical cores? Will the time savings on a task = money in excess of cost increase? Is your time valuable enough to justify the cost?
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If you are looking at the i9 10980xe. Why not look at Threadripper as well?

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Hi,
There is no stock of 10980xe's around and if there is price gougers have them.
Plenty of amd chips and prices are still falling.

I just got lucky and found a 10900k at local micro center but Intel dripping releases is keeping prices high.

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