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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-17-2018, 03:47 PM - Thread Starter
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Seasonic Focus Gold series problematic for use with RX Vega?

So in short, I have a few months old Seasonic Focus Gold 650W series laying around with the idea of eventually replacing my old PSU (bought March 2018). I was feeling quite confident in buying this PSU as it had glowing reviews, both in professional media reviews as on this forum. Now however on a local Dutch forum people are dissuading the purchase and use of this particular series, claiming that this series has "black screen issues" under high load, and in particular with certain graphic cards, to name: GTX970 and RX Vega cards. They also claim this is a known and acknowledged issue for Seasonic. The thread in question has the following response from someone claiming to be a Seasonic representative:

" - We meet Intel spec and some other brands may have wider range of tolerance but this does not mean it is better or worse because we all follow Intel spec. It's the only card to have such issue... Maybe it's not a PSU fault? Once again and like said few times now, anyone with a GTX 970 Strix can contact us and we will gladly provide a new cable to avoid this ripple issue with GTX 970. Maybe you can also remind people to contact us if any issue. Thank you.

- Vega is one of the few card to have such high spike issue but once again, we are following Intel spec, is it our fault if this card is not ? One more time (you would have known it if you came to the coffee...) we have worked on this issue. Once again, any issue, please contact us and we will gladly help."

Source: https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum...ssage/55946375

Now, as I am an owner of a Vega card, this is making me quite nervous about actually using the PSU, especially since the reply from the rep is not exactly a vote of confidence in using it with said card. So my question is; is this an actual issue, and if I use this PSU is there actually a more than negligible risk of developing issues?

Just between you and me - and please don't tell anyone - but I don't actually overclock. In fact, all I've done is underclock.

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There is no such thing as a PSU not compatible with any video card unless the PSU is 20 years old
If there is a problem something is broken and from what i understood from what you said it sounds more like its a GPU problem and not the fault of the PSU

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Ah yes, but what I refer to here is the claim that the particular series is problematic especially in combination with certain graphic cards, especially the RX Vega. The reason they give for this is the PSU is said to have issues dealing with dynamic loads/transient spikes, which they claim did not surface during PSU testing as done by reviewers, but only during real life usage, and they claim that certain before mentioned cards are especially sensitive to this.

Edit: I have changed the thread of the title, as to avoid confusion.

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I also can't believe this, but I did go and try to google for more people with this problem and I found other interesting threads here:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14869

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15180

The only thing that can explain what's happening is that it is actually true. I still can't believe it, seems like a crazy idea to me, but thinking logically it really has to be the PSU causing this.

About you trying to use your new PSU, I can't see it being harmful. Your graphics card crashing shouldn't harm anything about your hardware. At most you'll see corrupted files if Windows crashes as well and you have to force a power-off. Me personally in your situation, I'd definitely try the PSU just to see what happens.
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I also can't believe this, but I did go and try to google for more people with this problem and I found other interesting threads here:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14869

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15180

The only thing that can explain what's happening is that it is actually true. I still can't believe it, seems like a crazy idea to me, but thinking logically it really has to be the PSU causing this.

About you trying to use your new PSU, I can't see it being harmful. Your graphics card crashing shouldn't harm anything about your hardware. At most you'll see corrupted files if Windows crashes as well and you have to force a power-off. Me personally in your situation, I'd definitely try the PSU just to see what happens.
I only looked at the first link - but that first link seems to be an isolated issue with the Asus STRIX 970. I ran a 970 for a while just fine on my 750w Focus Plus.

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all good over here. These power supplies have a 10 year warranty. Raise hell if you need to.
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Hi guys,

So to sum up:

- GTX 970 Strix got a high ripple as mentionned and PCie cables with new inline capacitor solve this issue. You contact us and after checking we provide you a new PCIe cable free of charge.

- For Vega, the high spikes is causing issue with PSU. It's not a PSU issue, it's more that Vega is having crazy high spikes and it can trigger PSU safety. Seems we are not the only one to have noticed this: http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/show...5&postcount=13
We have worked on it and currently new stock of PSU with more tolerance with Vega are being shipped for release to market since few weeks/months. Only older version may have issue with Vega. Here, too, a question, just contact us and we will assist the best we can.

Thanks.

Edit: @JadedPrimate : No harm will happen as just in case, PSU got all safeties to avoid issues. Drop us a message (here or by our website) about your PSU model/SN and Vega you have, your location and if any issue, we will assist you without any problem.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sea Sonic Rep View Post
Hi guys,

So to sum up:

- GTX 970 Strix got a high ripple as mentionned and PCie cables with new inline capacitor solve this issue. You contact us and after checking we provide you a new PCIe cable free of charge.

- For Vega, the high spikes is causing issue with PSU. It's not a PSU issue, it's more that Vega is having crazy high spikes and it can trigger PSU safety. Seems we are not the only one to have noticed this: http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/show...5&postcount=13
We have worked on it and currently new stock of PSU with more tolerance with Vega are being shipped for release to market since few weeks/months. Only older version may have issue with Vega. Here, too, a question, just contact us and we will assist the best we can.

Thanks.
Thank you for your answer. Do you expect me to have any issues with using the Seasonic Focus Gold 650W I have now, which is current spec, with a Asus Strix Vega RX 64, provided I use both separate PCI-E cables to power it?

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Quote: Originally Posted by JadedPrimate View Post
Thank you for your answer. Do you expect me to have any issues with using the Seasonic Focus Gold 650W I have now, which is current spec, with a Asus Strix Vega RX 64, provided I use both separate PCI-E cables to power it?
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Can't tell you like this. Drop me a message with more info about your PSU model/SN and will let you know. Just in case, give a try, PSU got safeties ;-)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sea Sonic Rep View Post
Hi,

Can't tell you like this. Drop me a message with more info about your PSU model/SN and will let you know. Just in case, give a try, PSU got safeties ;-)
Private message sent. I know there is no risk of actual damage, but just the thought that it might cause random shut downs is putting me off from installing the unit. If you can't guarantee this particular problem won't cause issues with the combination, I'd rather know so I can purchase a different PSU as to avoid all risk. Thanks for the help in answering my query, in any case!

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