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I only use older computers from 5+ years ago, with no plans to get anything newer cause modern computers have built in backdoors and spying.

If you use older hardware because your concerned about back-doors and spying but you use modern programs (web-browsers, anti-virus, games, ETC) your still vulnerable because "back-doors" are a result of programs. Even older hardware has vulnerabilities, Specter and Meltdown affected generations of Intel chips. Hardware doesn't run without a program and firmware IS another type of program, one that is not stored in volatile memory like your web browser is or any program you run on your PC. If you install the updates for your system (BIOs, drivers, program updates) that "patch" vulnerabilities then before you installed the patch/update you were exposed to that threat.


The ONLY way to avoid backdoors and spying is to cut the cord and go off the grid completely. If you won't do that then keep your system up to date, use good AV, run a paid VPN (because free VPNs are junk), and protect your connection to the internet with something better than a 5+ year old off the shelf from Walmart router that is no longer supported, learn about network security and monitor your connection to the outside world.



Modern hardware is no more or less vulnerable than older hardware it is slower and more power demanding so all your accomplishing in using 5+-year-old hardware is limiting your productivity and contributing more to your electric companies profit margin with your higher power consumption.

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If Specter Meltdown and all the other problems have you so worried buy AMD instead

And like smilinjohn said it sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of modern PC hardware and all you are doing is holding yourself back and paying more for no reason and you are not making yourself safer

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If Specter Meltdown and all the other problems have you so worried buy AMD instead

Oh come on now don't put my example of Specter and Meltdown on the OP, I brought that up not them...


The brand doesn't matter, vulnerabilities exist. When MS patches a vulnerability it patches its OS, doesn't matter if that OS is running on AMD or Intel. Both are just as open to the threat because it is a matter of the programming running on the chip regardless of which you are a fan-boy of.



True some hardware has its unique vulnerabilities, but those are .01% of the threats out there. The other 99.99% comes from the programing running on all of our computers, AMD, Intel doesn't matter one iota.

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i uh... too early.



pi hole, and exactly while Smilin' said. You're just hurting yourself with zero net gain in safety or security. Not to mention all while using 3-5x the power.

big brother is big brother, you aren't outsmarting him. You might as well pack up & go live in the woods, as that's the only way you're gonna be "safe" from all this.

good luck, and pick up a book, or a guide every once in awhile. there are a few things you can do to create a more secure environment, if you're really that paranoid. Using antiquated hardware just isn't on any of those lists, unless we're playing games of thermonuclear war.

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yeah AMD's new stuff is "more secure"... for now. It's brand new, that's kinda how it works. Core is nearing EOL, so it'll keep bleeding til it finally dies.

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Regardless, I'm still safer using dated hardware. Not perfect, but better off.

I'd use anything online that's no newer than the Piledriver architecture for AMD chips. For Intel nothing newer than Pentium 4, Pentium M, maybe Core Solo/Core Duo, as those are the newest Intels that are safe to use cause they lack the Intel Management Engine. I understand that someday I may be left behind, as those that don't upgrade, but that is a consequence I am willing to accept. I'll retire from the internet.

I'm not really against the Spectre/Meltdown patches, but these are the last x86/x64 based computers i'll use. If anything i'll try some kind of safe open source hardware bundled with Linux someday.

Not all old computers are heat dumpers.

I see that Intel refused to patch some older chips, I don't know if they patched any earlier chips like the Pentium III or Pentium Pro, but I've heard nothing from AMD.

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Call me crazy, misinformed, or a loser, but I feel it's my duty to warn people of bad, unethical technology and all it's dangers. It's the right thing to do. You can read the "Hardware Compatibility" section of the link below to better understand where I'm coming from.

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backdoors and spying what the.... have you ever heard of getting a VPN in that case
How is a VPN going to stop built-in hardware backdoors plus the spying coming from the operating system, like Windows 10? Also I wouldn't think that defeating the flaws of the Intel Management Engine would be that simple, no offense.

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Regardless, I'm still safer using dated hardware. Not perfect, but better off.

I'd use anything online that's no newer than the Piledriver architecture for AMD chips. For Intel nothing newer than Pentium 4, Pentium M, maybe Core Solo/Core Duo, as those are the newest Intels that are safe to use cause they lack the Intel Management Engine. I understand that someday I may be left behind, as those that don't upgrade, but that is a consequence I am willing to accept. I'll retire from the internet.

I'm not really against the Spectre/Meltdown patches, but these are the last x86/x64 based computers i'll use. If anything i'll try some kind of safe open source hardware bundled with Linux someday.

Not all old computers are heat dumpers.

I see that Intel refused to patch some older chips, I don't know if they patched any earlier chips like the Pentium III or Pentium Pro, but I've heard nothing from AMD.
key phrase "more secure" not totally secure.

flawed is flawed.

and a computer is a computer

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pi hole
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pucker.
I found the others on the list but not this thing you call "pucker"

I'm always on the lookout for new information. Though to tell you the truth, networking and advanced software is my weakness. I'm just the hardware guy who builds computers, installs the OS and plays around with it, and use basic programs and play games. I go with what's familiar to me, as I remember the good old days. I don't know what VPN's are trustworthy. Some will trick you.

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Boy.. if only computers weren't so damn fun. :-D

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